Comment on Brave browser blocks Windows feature that takes screenshots of everything you do on your PC

• Fijxu@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I don’t think taking screenshots of everything you do every few seconds is telemetry.

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  • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It’s not, but it’s also not spyware - it’s local, encrypted, AND optional.

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    • ifmu@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Microsoft is known for making things “optional” at first then eventually forcing it down everyone’s throats. Removing offline accounts is one of them.

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      • Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Yes hello John Windows my microwave account name is Oobe\bypassnro

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      • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Right. So you’re all panicking just in case.

        That’s what’s being swept under the rug as “alarmists being loud”.

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    • veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Optional like how it reminds me every 3 days that it wants my info for “customization” purposes, and I can only sleep the notification for another 3 days instead of telling it to fuck off?

      They have been so predatory, at this point no one should see anything they do as benefiting end users.

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      • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        If it does that, outrage will be understandable.

        Getting outraged about something they said will be 100% optional and hasn’t even released yet is just childish.

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    • Landless2029@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Actual optional things are disabled by default.

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      • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        So you’re saying you haven’t bothered to read about Recall at all, you just assumed it’s going to be enabled by default?

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• Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  You consider actual, literal spyware as being merely telemetry?

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  • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What are you talking about now?

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    • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I believe they are talking about Windows, an OS that is spyware and no one should use

      An example of Windows being spyware not standard telemetry is the Recall feature. A feature that doesn’t just tell you how the OS is used but actually takes screenshots every few seconds

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      • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Windows, an OS that is spyware and no one should use

        Of, ffs, grow up.

        An example of Windows being spyware not standard telemetry is the Recall feature. A feature that doesn’t just tell you how the OS is used but actually takes screenshots every few seconds

        You have no clue what you’re talking about, do you?

        Recall only works on devices with an NPU. Do you know why? Because it runs locally. It’s got NOTHING to do with telemetry, because it does NOT send data to Microsoft.

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• WolfLink@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Honestly it largely is.

  Personally I like sharing crash reports, but even then, the user should be able to turn that off if you like.

  Telemetry should be 100% opt-in.

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  • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Honestly it largely is.

    I mean, by definition, it isn’t.

    It’s anonymous and not malicious in nature. It’s a diagnostic and engagement measuring tool.

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    • WolfLink@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      diagnostic

      I think it is useful to send crash reports, but the user should have power over it (see: when macOS generates a crash report, it asks the user if they would like to send it)

      engagement measuring

      That is your data they are taking to make money off of without your consent, and I consider that malicious. There are ways to do that with consent. See: Steam’s annual hardware survey

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      • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        That is your data they are taking to make money off of without your consent

        I mean… They’re a for-profit company, so literally anything they do is to make money.

        But it’s not “my data”, it’s anonymous. The “engagement” info is in relation to features. That’s why some features are removed - because nobody uses them. Or rather: not enough people use them to warrant maintenance.

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    • Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      And how do you know it’s not malicious in nature? I’d like to know what your definition of “malicious” is if you’re just fine with letting a Corpo run system look at everything you’re doing.

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      • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        And how do you know it’s not malicious in nature?

        Because I have a functioning brain.

        I’d like to know what your definition of “malicious” is

        Malware is designed to hurt you by extracting your personal information or resources.

        Telemetry is designed to give developers feedback about product/functionality usage and is anonymous.

        you’re just fine with letting a Corpo run system look at everything you’re doing.

        I’m not, and it’s not. Unlike you, I actually checked what data telemetry gathers and I’m perfectly fine with it. It’s inconsequential and anonymous.

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    • pogmommy@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      not malicious in nature

      Haha, sure thing William

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      • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Are you a tech-illiterate person?

        If not, explain how is it malicious.

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• kepix@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  how the hell do you not?

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  • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I don’t know, maybe because I understand the definition of “spyware” and “telemetry”?

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    • ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Well, semantically yes, not all telemetry is spyware. However regarding Windows telemetry it’s indistinguishable from spyware - you have no idea nor control over the data gathered, measured and processed.

      The crux is that Windows telemetry is opt out, opting out can’t be done during installation, and historically opting out wasn’t sticky. Additionally some Windows telemetry is still being sent despite opting out.

      That makes Windows telemetry fulfill all spyware criteria.

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      • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        However regarding Windows telemetry it’s indistinguishable from spyware - you have no idea nor control over the data gathered, measured and processed

        Ah, so you’re another one of those fear-mongers?

        Here’s the Required Diagnostic Events Fields (required telemetry) documentation.

        Keeping in mind that it’s anonymous - which parts of this are you so vehemently against sending to Microsoft?

        That makes Windows telemetry fulfill all spyware criteria.

        The shittiest spyware in history, I guess, considering it’s all anonymous…

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