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• samus12345@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Idolizing authoritarian governments isn’t “left” no matter how much they might think it is.

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  • Soggy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Anarchism isn’t the only way to be a leftist.

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    • samus12345@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      There’s an awful lot of space between authoritarianism and anarchism.

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      • Soggy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        There sure is, including “vanguardism” which was what many conflate with totalitarianism because of how the Cold War shook out. Really, it was the success of anti-Communist propaganda in the Red Scares that has colored so much of our assumptions and talking points as well as the unbridled might of the American military to suppress and punish any nation that tried something other than subservience.

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• a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  You ignore 50% of the political compass here - authoritarianism sucks just as much as fascism or unbridled capitalism.

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  • Soggy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    At the extreme, sure. Authority/Anarchy isn’t a binary selection. (Fascism is an authoritarian position, specifically it’s a right-nationalist movement centered on cultural identity)

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    • a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      And that is exactly the situation in Russia: it’s an

      • right-nationalist (“rescuing” suppressed people from the evil Ukraine - that one is super ironic because it’s exactly the same argumentation Germany used with the Sudetendeutsche)
      • authoritarian (arrests for holding up empty pieces of paper, drafting for the war - but only in the poor areas far away from Moscow) regime
      • centered on cultural identity (anti-gay laws, “restoring the CCCP”, persisting propaganda comparing the Ukraine war with WW2, "we have to defend ourselves from NATO)

      It’s pretty late, so i don’t repeat the exercise for China or bring up more examples - i’m pretty sure that if you try to counter my points someone else will give you more examples.

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      • Soggy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        At no point in here have I said that Russia isn’t a fascist state. It checks all the boxes: violent, authoritarian, nationalist, suppressing minorities and marginalized groups, single party, lots of corruption. You’re confusing my Communist sympathies with uncritical support for the modern regime dressed in red.

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    • Alaik@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Pretty sure the one thing to say about fascism besides it being authoritarian is that it wants corporate control. Mussolini was debating calling it Corporatism.

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• Gsus4@mander.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  If .ml were a lefty echo chamber people wouldn’t hate hexbear, but they do.

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  • Soggy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Hexbear is specifically the shitpost refuge of displaced terminally-online /r/chapotraphouse diaspora and it’s hard to parse the layers of irony and in-joke and I’m not invested enough in that community to try and fairly represent it here. I’m not surprised that people have an aversion to it but the amount of space it takes up in some people’s head here is bonkers. The goals and culture are very different than .ml.

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