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chasingtheflow@lemmy.world 8 months agoWhy, have they done something wrong?
Some people seem to think that, usually people who do not research things for themselves.
Separately it gets a bit complicated bc it really is healthier for people to be distributed more across a network as opposed to all being on the same node.
Both of these groups push for people to consider leaving lemmy.world, but for entirely different underlying reasons.
I don't know the details of all decisions lemmy.world instance admins have made, but it seems to me that the #1 instance will always generate the most animosity because it's far more likely than any other instance to find itself in decisions where they're pressed to make decisions by their userbase.
Servers with 20% of the users and 10% of the communities, with only like a dozen 'active' communities will simply never be in that position and generate no meaningful pushback.
This is definitely true. Also some instances like to push the boundaries, while others such as Lemmy.world prefer to "toe the line". e.g. lemm.ee was notorious for not wanting to defederate with anything unless it was absolutely necessary (like for CSAM, but not for like trolling), a decision which kept burning out all the mods over and over and over and over again, thereby leaving it up to the admins to control that chaos, who likewise got burnt out again and again until... the instance itself finally gave up and closed its doors. But not before putting out numerous calls to have someone, ANYONE step in and actually lift a finger to help? No? Okay then... well good bye and good luck I suppose. Hexbear likewise has somewhat imploded multiple times over the course of its existence, due to "drama" among its internal controlling team. Each instance does as it chooses and Lemmy.World chooses to toe the line and steer clear of illegal content, leaving people free to steer clear of it in return, if that is what they want.
One incident I am aware of wrt to Lemmy.World was when the infamous Luigi incident happened late in 2024 in the USA, the mods decided to pause discussion as to whether outright, literal and irl murder should be allowed, and things related to that such as "jury nullification". Keep in mind that the entire instance could theoretically have been shut down if the admins - who unlike the rest of us have their irl names and addresses exposed to the legal authorities - had been found legally liable under whatever laws in whatever countries around the world. Faced with this ENORMOUS amount of pressure, not merely theoretical but again threatening the very existence of the instance itself, the admins decided to pause discussions of this matter... for less than a week iirc while they looked into their legal standing. And then they lifted the ban and allowed those discussions (again iirc, though it's been a minute). But many people about lost their minds that they had to wait a few days to do as they wished.
Tbf that probably had to do more with preexisting chaffing under the dominance of Lemmy.World that while today makes up only ~40% of the Threadiverse, at one point dominated it at ~80%, plus also a pattern of similar events than the singular one I described there (e.g. its decision to defederate from hexbear.net). But it does illustrate how Lemmy.World has to walk that line between allowing freedom to have discussions while maintaining a space to even be able to continue to have those discussions on the open clear internet.
I note the high level of irony that many people left Lemmy.World to the more "open" lemm.ee, which then closed its doors because people refused to volunteer to help clean up the toxic filth that they then generated. Lemmy - as a part of the real world - really can be quite an unwelcoming place. Like if you want to speak, then make your own instance and get to it, but if you want to go into someone else's house and speak... well then you have to play by their rules, how is that not understandable?
That particular jury nullification decision btw is described in many places but one that I know of is https://sh.itjust.works/post/29086287 , and in general that community !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com is just a fantastic one run by a great mod who somehow manages to avoid the temptation to become a power-tripping bastard himself as he runs that instance and community that helps keep the Threadiverse in check by allowing people to air out their dirty laundry in full view for all to see:-).
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
They ban discussion of all kinds of normal things, such as Luigi Mangione.
Syrc@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Sure, it’s not like there’s a !luigimangione@lemmy.world community or a fuckton of related posts in other ones with no action taken whatsoever.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Yes, they relented on that one after tons of ridicule. I used it as an example because that pattern just keeps happening over and over.
Syrc@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Except even that never happened and it was just overcautious mods dealing with vague ToS. The only thing the admins did in that whole issue was make the ToS more clear.
I’d like to see what do you mean about it happening “over and over”.