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• Syrc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I see, that’s nice. I know a LOT of people were turned off by Lemmy because of the .ml devs, hopefully PieFed is more appealing to them.

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  • compostgoblin@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yeah, nutomic and some of their statements were a significant factor motivating my switch from Lemmy to Piefed. I’m glad we have the option here on Blahaj, and shout out to the Voyager dev for adding Piefed support!

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  • buddascrayon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I have not found it hard at all to just ignore the .ml devs and people in general. Why is this such an issue for literally anyone?

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    • Syrc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Some users don’t want to support a project that’s being developed by people they don’t like.

      It’s kind of how some people left Reddit because of Spez, even though the amount of money Lemmy devs make doesn’t remotely compare, and the risk of enshittification/imposition of views is minimal due to the whole project being open source.

      I personally don’t see it as a huge issue, but I can relate (and I’d definitely see it differently if I was actively supporting the platform through donations).

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      • OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I would argue that their authoritarian preferences get baked right into the codebase: e.g. there is a modlog but no notification of a moderation event, no modmail to contest or at least discuss such an event, no ability to DM or even be aware of which moderator performed the action (it used to say the mod name, but now it merely says "mod"), and deleted or removed posts disappear as if they never existed, ironically with the message to check back in later, as if it might come back but of course it never will.

        The "rights" of someone being moderated are either to spin up their own instance or to not and just suck it up and take it, or else leave Lemmy entirely. Unsurprisingly, we see people leaving Lemmy in droves (and some, such as those who went back to Reddit, we don't see so clearly, only being able to read their complaints about Lemmy if we go to Reddit to do so).

        And yes the codebase is open, but it's also complex and written in Rust. It is just easier to write an entirely new application of the ActivityPub protocol in a more comfortable language than to work with the Lemmy codebase, people such as the developers of Kbin, now Mbin, Sublinks, and PieFed seem to feel. And now these have a chance to do differently.:-)

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    • OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      For one thing if you Google search (we are talking mainstream normies here) for Lemmy, it pulls up Lemmy.ml as the first hit to an instance. And then that in turn, to an anonymous guest without an account, it shows posts solely from Local, rather than All. So a visitor does not see the part of the Threadiverse that is ignoring the tankies, they see the tankie home environment in full glory. There they talk about such things as beheading people who have bank accounts. Mainstream normies nope out fairly quickly... and then get mad at me for even having mentioned "Lemmy" to them in the first place.

      It is easy for us who know how to ignore the propaganda, but we do quickly forget - I did for sure - just what kind of place this is, as in how it appears to others who have not put in the time we have to so heavily curate our experiences.

      I am saying that we are a Nazi bar: we allow it, even while we ignore it, but it makes others uncomfortable so they leave.

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      • buddascrayon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        There must be something messed up with your Google search cause googling Lemmy gets me Motorhead first and then either lemmy.org or lemmy.world plus some wikipedia explainers, I don’t even see a link to lemmy.ml even after 2 pages of results.

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    • Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I have not found it hard at all to just ignore the .ml devs and people in general. Why is this such an issue for literally anyone?

      I am Ukrainian. I hope the lemmy devs and all tankies get to experience russian genocidal imperialism firsthand.

      Do you why this is “literally” an issue?

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      • buddascrayon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I think you have misunderstood something. I do not agree with .ml people(tankies and such). And the issue is whether or not a person can just ignore their rantings and simply enjoy Lemmy.world

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