Comment on As of 30 minutes ago at the time of posting, the NYPD has detained two young Black men after they refused to show ID without explanation or cause.

Sjotroll@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  It’s literally a fourth amendment right. I’m not cool with any of my rights being infringed upon. No one should be ok with this.

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  • Sjotroll@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    As I said, I’m not from America, I wouldn’t know your laws, that’s why I’m asking

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• uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  When assessing the degree and quality of liberty in a country, one of the factors considered in academic politics is the requirement of personal identification by law enforcement. It use to be a trope of Hollywood cinema that takes place in the Eastern Bloc (Warsaw Pact countries) that ordinary citizens and abvious tourists were routinely harassed by law enforcement for their papers, a stark reminder that here in the states you can even cross state lines without identifying yourself.

  It’s getting more interesting as law enforcement is pre-emptively collecting biometric data on school kids and other vulnerable demographics.

  Currently wending through state courts is the controversy of using biometric data to identify suspects, which may be regarded as an unresobable search from which we (all, citizens or otherwise) are supposed to be protected, according to the fourth amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

  In this specific incident, the NYPD is notoriously racist and aggressive, so this may be contempt of cop while black As the adage goes, you can beat the rap but you can’t beat the ride. This assures these young men will have a bad week regardless of their guilt of any wrongdoing.

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• BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  …it soon became evident that this net was cast too wide for any private agency. Not merely was my own mail opened, but the mail of all my relatives and friends—people residing in places as far apart as California and Florida. I recall the bland smile of a government official to whom I complained about this matter: "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear."

  • Upton Sinclar, The Profits of Religion, 1917

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• DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  As an individual, its probably easier to just show ID, but as a society its a bad idea to let this become the norm. Because the next step is just checkpoints.

  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_checkpoint#Military_…

  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_checkpoint

  Very authoritarian. You shouldn’t have to justify your existence, the government should be the ones with the burden to prove you did something wrong, you shouldn’t need to prove your innocence.

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• TheReturnOfPEB@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  We are not.

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  • Sjotroll@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Why do you assume I don’t have it?

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    • Psythik@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Because of the bootlicking statement you made.

      Cops in America are not your friend. They have no duty protect nor serve the American people. Their job is to write tickets and make arrests, to help fuel the for-profit prison system and keep the money flowing. (Empty prisons don’t generate profit.)

      Their second duty is to constantly harass people of color to make them feel unwelcome in the country. It starts with approaching brown people who have committed no crime and asking for ID. The goal is to be escalate things in hope that the person they’re harassing will fight back, that way they have an excuse to charge them with assaulting an officer or interfering with police duties.

      It’s sick, twisted, and fucked up, and the worst part about is is that over a 3rd of the country supports this behavior.

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• HeyJoe@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  As others have said we are not required to provide ID unless there is a cause. Stopping 2 people without stating why means no cause and they have the right to say no and it should end with ok have a nice day, but our rights are tested more and more. Some good news is its generally an easy case for a lawyer to pickup and win meaning they could get a payout from the city. The sad news is generally nothing will be done about the cops who abuse their job and cause the tax payers more money in lawsuits that should never happen.

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• kandoh@reddthat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  They know they’re being racially profiled and didn’t feel like playing along and making life easier for the cops.

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• secretlyaddictedtolinux2@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Because people want to be left alone without being harassed for no reason by dirty cops looking to increase their arrest stats and get more promotions.

  It’s awful not being left alone. For example, I know someone on lemmy who was viewing this sublemmy, didn’t do anything, got banned, and was so upset he actually died. The point is, people should be able to be left alone and do what they fucking want people being assholes.

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  • Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    For example, I know someone on lemmy who was viewing this sublemmy, didn’t do anything, got banned, and was so upset he actually died.

    I smell BS.

    1. Didn’t do anything, but got banned? Possible, but improbable.

    2. Got so upset by a ban on Lemmy that the person died? So close to impossible that I would call it impossible.

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  • TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    and then Lincoln bust out the closet and said see kids this is why acab and gave everyone fifty dollars

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• PsychoNaut@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Are you required to always carry ID in your country?

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  • Sjotroll@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yep

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    • TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      so if I wanna take a stroll in the morning I’m my gym shorts without my wallet flopping around in my pocket, I am committing a crime?

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      • Sjotroll@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Yes. In that case they will probably ask you about your info, check in their system, you would get a fine for not carrying your documents, and that’s it.
        A BIG difference, however, is that they will not even approach you if you are not doing something you should not be doing. In other words, they will not bother you while you’re sitting on a bench or taking a stroll.

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