Comment on Study finds smartphone bans in Dutch schools improved focus

• sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  You shouldn’t poll anyone, instead look at test results. If there is better focus, it’ll improve learning outcomes like test scores, graduation rates, and reduces instances of cheating. IMO, if we poll anyone, it should be parents about how much assistance they give their kids (i.e. are they filling in the gaps in their education less?).

  It’s nice that teachers think kids are paying more attention, but that only matters if kids are learning more.

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  • slackassassin@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    That’s another type of study that is also worthwhile. But the effects of distracted students on teachers and the classroom as a whole is also relevant.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Sure, I just don’t trust results from subjective studies, unless it’s tracking trends over time. So maybe if they had opinion polls like this before smartphones were a thing in classrooms, while smartphones were a thing, and after they were banned I’d trust the results somewhat. But if we’re just tracking an after-the-fact poll, it just feels like confirmation bias. I believe teachers have an incentive to overstate the impact of policies that give them more control, because they want to encourage more such policies, even if they aren’t effective at achieving tangible results.

      So yeah, I distrust this type of study. I don’t think it’s necessarily worthless, I just don’t think many conclusions can be taken from it.

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      • slackassassin@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        You can conclude that teachers experience a better classroom environment. There was also 1/3 that did observe academic improvement.

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    • HollowNaught@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Yes, but there’s a huge degree of bias whenever you ask people anything. Obviously teachers are going to think phones are detrimental to class focus, and thus they’re more likely to say their ban helped with that same focus

      Same thing If you asked students, but reversed

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      • slackassassin@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Both great metrics to have, true.

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• zapzap@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Yeah, like, if you’re just gonna ask someone, they’d be the ones to ask.

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• MITM0@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Teachers can’t guage worth a damn

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• ClusterBomb@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Yeah, except science does not work like that. 😐

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  • slackassassin@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Yes, it does. A subjective response can absolutely be an objective result.

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    • ClusterBomb@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      This is not a demonstration and this does not qualify as a scientific proof. 🤷

      They polled teachers. It ir like I polled religious and conclude that God exists because God speaks to most of the people I polled. This is not science, sorry not sorry.

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      • slackassassin@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Good example! That poll would be a relevant result for a percent of the population the believes in god.

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