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muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

Bluesky blew itself up cos they failed to be sufficiently decentralised and became an echo chamber. Activpub systems are less echo chambery but still have a very strong left lean that is significantly effecting out ability to grow especially among the centre who represents the majority. We need more right wing opinions and allow said right wing opinions if we want the majority of people to adopt it.

The fundamental failure of the fediverse that is limiting us is that accounts are not transportable. We need some decentralised ledger of accounts that can be cryptographically verified with a zero trust system. U just set up a oidc server to do that auth and that plugs into every single fediverse application everywhere.

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deur@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
God, shut up. There’s the “communist” dumbass instances which is just far right levels of stupid, and then literally the entire rest of this platform is just normal centrist europe views. “Leftist” is a term Americans use to describe giving immigrants healthcare and thinking homeless people should be given homes.

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- muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Go say something against trans and see how the fediverse reacts most instances will hand out an instant instance ban. That’s a pretty mainstream right wing belief but its almost completely censored on the fediverse.
  
  Normal centrist European views huh? I don’t think so their are a lot of right ringers Europe who wouldn’t be allowed to say what they want here. Perhaps that’s what some Americans mean when they say leftist but that’s not what most people mean pretty shit straw man imo.
  
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Cris_Color@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
A lot of right-wing beliefs have become so extreme that I am frankly happy to not be around them, regardless of how important I feel it is to avoid echo chambers (very). Its one thing to want to be able to have conversations with people you disagree with even though it’s challenging, it’s another thing to constantly have to contend with people who would like to debate whether you’re a human and deserve basic human dignity because you’re a minority.

But I would appreciate if we could at least manage not to attack other left wing folks over not being left wing enough, or over what methods are a productive way to solve the problems we’re facing.

It’s kind of just a microcosm of the infighting and purity testing of the left more broadly (at least in America, I have no idea how things are with the culture of leftwing communities or voices in Europe or the rest of the world), but it still sucks and I’d like to hope we can find a way to do better.

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- muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Tbh I’m not even sure what the right and left wing means or believes anymore.
  
  Both terms have been so utterly corrupted and coopted that they have become meaningless to the point of simply being a term used to other one group by the other.
  
  Well that’s the problem everyone thinks they are exactly the minimum amount of left and that anyone right of them is a facist. If someone is continuously called a fascist Nazi eventually they will listen.
  
  “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it” - Joseph Goebbels
  
  Australia wasn’t so much on the extreme of Americans but we are getting there. Interestingly both the right wing and the extreme left got fucked in our most recent election. Mind u I’m not happy with the current federal government they are introducing a pre capital gains tax on everyone’s savings.
  
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  - Cris_Color@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I can appreciate how twisted and emotionally charged the labels have become. As a queer(-ish, it’s complicated) person in the US, it is not uncommon for right wing spaces on reddit to offhandedly describe me and all the people I care about as groomers. Thats not a good faith discussion of whether the way that I want to see problems solved is productive, it’s just dehumanizing people because they’re minorities.
    
    I don’t want to be around that. I think it is important to have conversations with people you don’t agree with, and I still have very little emotional capacity to engage with people that far away from me in terms of what’s considered an acceptable way to engage with other humans.
    
    I don’t wish them death and dismemberment or for them to face violent retribution (and before people take issue with that, that would radicalize people and harm every single cause I care about, making every problem I’m facing worse. Even just purely pragmatically that’s a horrible way to solve our problems like 99% of the time), but I don’t wish to share space with them, I don’t have that in me.
    
    The left does absolutely have an issue with calling anyone we dont like a Nazi, which is a painful problem to confront due to the fact that our government is descending into outright fascism, and it is now infinitely harder to have a conversation about the fact that this is what fascism looks like now that the word has been so diluted as to be almost meaningless. It essentially just conveys “I really really really don’t like that person” at this point, which is a big difference from “this person is framing minorities as responsible for all that ails society to gain power while stripping us of our freedoms and amassing personal power and currying favor with billionaires by selling them our institutions at all or our expense”
    
    I’m curious, how did both the left and right get fucked in the recent election? I’m pretty much entirely unfamiliar with Australian politics save for a couple friendly jordies videos
    
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    muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    The issue is the worst of both sides are the ones defining each other. I won’t deny that I disagree with some of the things being pushed as part of education for young children. But I wouldn’t say that that’s grooming let alone define an entire group of people by that. Its defiantly not good faith.
    
    I think the beautiful part of the internet is if u don’t want to be around a particular person u can block them and they simply disappear. They have a right to speech but nobody has the right to force you to listen.
    
    I don’t think engaging with people emotionally is the correct way to engage especially over a text medium. I think the only real productive discussion that can be had without devolving into a screaming and name calling is rational and logical. I find that emotional arguments and weaponised empathy get deployed on mass instead of rational discussion.
    
    I’m not saying that you should be forced to share a space with such people I simply think that others should not be restricted from having such spaces and engaging freely with people in those spaces.
    
    This is what I’m saying people have been called fascist so long they have become the fascists. Its both sides stripping us of our freedoms and making our lives shit. Its a choice between get fucked or get fucked lite. We are all to distracted fighting a bullshit culture war to realise its just a distraction from the real issues. Funny how the whole culture war thing kicked off just after occupy wall street.
    
    In Australia we have preferential voting so we don’t have a 2 party system. We have the liberals who are centre right, we have labor who are centre left, we have the greens who are communists and we have the nationals who are fascists. The nationals never get any seats, liberal and labor trade places as the government every couple years and the greens get a couple seats. This time the greens lost almost all their seats same as the liberals.
    
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Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

The fundamental failure of the fediverse that is limiting us is that accounts are not transportable. We need some decentralised ledger of accounts that can be cryptographically verified with a zero trust system. U just set up a oidc server to do that auth and that plugs into every single fediverse application everywhere.

I’ve never felt this was as important as people say, at least here in the Threadiverse I don’t see it being important. Can you explain how this would help Lemmy/PieFed?

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- muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Because it would solve the whole issue of people deciding what instance to sign up to. It would make the fediverse better than the mainstream “the one account to rule them all”.
  
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  - Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    But then who is your admin team? People don’t want to deal with spam and trolls.
    
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    muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Instances still exist its just that u can log into literally any of them with 1 account. I get instance banned from an instance ur still banned from that instance.
    
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Cris_Color@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Bluesky blew itself up? What happened to bluesky?

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- muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  There usage numbers are dropping alarmingly. And all the famous people on it went back to twitter.
  
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  - Cris_Color@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Wow… I wouldn’t have expected that
    
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rglullis@communick.news ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
OIDC gives you federated login, but no portable identity…

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- muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Oidc is the protocol by which auth can happen its the evolution of oauth. U need to build some kind of decentralised ledger then u set up a server that checks that ledger against the user provided auth then u simply make this server have an oidc endpoint allowing it to be plug and play with existing fediverse services.
  
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  - rglullis@communick.news ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    My point is: if you have a ledger that the user controls and can use to redirect to different auth endpoints, then you don’t need oauth. You just use the record in the ledger as the authentication mechanism directly.
    
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    muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yeah exactly. But instead of having to implement that auth process in every different fediverse service in however many different languages u simply write it once with an oidc endpoint and all fediverse services can run it as a container in their stack. It makes implementing such auth system a simple config change and updating a docker compose to add a new service.
    
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