Comment on I think my server might nit be a fan of the upcoming heatwave

FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• Honytawk@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  31.5°C also is just a bit slower at cooling, and computer devices easily reach 95°C without any troubles.

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  • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yeah this temperature is nothing. Regularly gets over 40 degrees Celsius where I am, and all of my home servers have run 24/7 through it without issue, not in air conditioning.

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  • Jesus_666@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Hard drives don’t really like high temperatures for extended periods of time. Google did some research on this way back when. Failure rates start going up at an average temperature of 35 °C and become significantly higher if the HDD is operated beyond 40°C for much of its life. That’s HDD temperature, not ambient.

    The same applies to low temperatures. The ideal temperature range seems to be between 20 °C and 35 °C.

    Mind you, we’re talking “going from a 5% AFR to a 15% AFR for drives that saw constant heavy use in a datacenter for three years”. Your regular home server with a modest I/O load is probably going to see much less in terms of HDD wear. Still, heat amplifies that wear.

    I’m not too concerned myself despite the fact that my server’s HDD temps are all somewhere between 41 and 44. At 30 °C ambient there’s not much better I can do and the HDDs spend most of their time idling anyway.

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    • ms_lane@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Google did some research on this way back when. Failure rates start going up at an average temperature of 35 °C and become significantly higher if the HDD is operated beyond 40°C for much of its life. That’s HDD temperature, not ambient.

      On the contrary, they found that temperature had almost no bearing on failure rate.

      static.googleusercontent.com/…/disk_failures.pdf

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      • Jesus_666@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        To quote that same document:

        Figure 5 looks at the average temperatures for different age groups. The distributions are in sync with Figure 4 showing a mostly flat failure rate at mid-range temperatures and a modest increase at the low end of the temperature distribution. What stands out are the 3 and 4-year old drives, where the trend for higher failures with higher temperature is much more constant and also more pronounced.

        That’s what I referred to. I don’t see a total age distribution for their HDDs so I have no idea if they simply didn’t have many HDDs in the three-to-four-years range, which would explain how they didn’t see a correlation in the total population. However, they do show a correlation between high temperatures and AFR for drives after more than three years of usage.

        My best guess is that HDDs wear out slightly faster at temperatures above 35-40 °C so if your HDD is going to die of an age-related problem it’s going to die a bit sooner if it’s hot. (Also notice that we’re talking average temperature so the peak temperatures might have been much higher).

        In a home server where the HDDs spend most of their time idling (probably even below Google’s “low” usage bracket) you probably won’t see a difference within the expected lifespan of the HDD. Still, a correlation does exist and it might be prudent to have some HDD cooling if temps exceed 40 °C regularly.

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