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floo@retrolemmy.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

I didn’t just see one interview. It was dozens of interviews over the last 20 or so years. If it was just one piece, I would probably agree with you. And I’m sure there are members of the ideas who are not there willingly and do not support its goals.

But I have a preponderance of evidence which supports my position.

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njm1314@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
There been multiple polls that show the vast majority of Israelis are behind the genocide of the Palestinians. To think the IDF thinks anything differently is absurd. These people arguing with you are living in a fantasy world.

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paultimate14@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Your evidence supports that there are members of the IDF who are enthusiastically engaged with what they’re doing. I am not debating that- i think you’re right.

But it’s important to remember this absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because you haven’t seen interviews of IDF members objecting to what they are doing does not mean those members do not exist. I would expect the IDF to have systems in place to minimize the external visibility if any such objections, which makes a generalization like that dangerous.

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- parody@lemmings.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Important point
  
  Genocide is bad and you are right
  
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- floo@retrolemmy.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I already conceited that there are very likely, in fact, I’m sure of it, members of the IDF that are not their willingly and do not support its goals. The point I’m trying to make is that the proportion Idf soldiers that support Zionism is much higher than the number of supporters of Nazis in the Wehrmacht.
  
  Many members of the Wehrmacht were fighting for Germany, not the Nazis. Every single member of the IDF, except for perhaps a few exceptions, are absolutely fighting for Zionism.
  
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  - paultimate14@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It would be a logical fallacy to jump to such a conclusion without interviewing a randomly sampled and much larger population. It is possible you may be correct or incorrect, but you are jumping to a conclusion about a topic with insufficient data to do so.
    
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    floo@retrolemmy.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    It would be a logical fallacy to jump to such a conclusion without interviewing a randomly sampled and much larger population.
    
    Except that it is. And I’ve told you that, several times.
    
    It’s like you have ignored every comment I have made so far. For the idea of soldiers, there is a huge amount of pluralistic evidence to support this. And for the Wehrmacht soldiers, there is a huge amount of historical evidence that supports this, too.
    
    You don’t wanna be convinced, you just wanna argue a single point and ignore anything that is contrary to it.
    
    All of this information is very publicly available. Since you are so adverse to taking my word for it, go look at these facts up for yourself.
    
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