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• FreakinSteve@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Did you read up on all the atrocities caused by capitalism? Have you looked into the US gulag system? Its literally a plot point in the Andor series.

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  • Maalus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “wHaTaBoUt”

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    • FreakinSteve@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, whatabout.

      Because you can’t dismiss one system unless you’ve resolved the parallel conflicts in the replacement.

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• Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ve read dozens of books, hundreds of articles, and continue to read. The overwhelming majority of those who lived in the USSR want it back, this is a well-known phenomenon. Over 7 million people died due to the dissolution of socialism in the USSR, prostitution, drug abuse, poverty, disparity, all skyrocketed while life expectancy plumeted thanks to the utter destruction of the economy and the elimination of social safety nets.

  Well over 90% of Chinese citizens support their government, even from western survey. Socialism in China lifted 800 million people out of poverty, and is combatting climate change and regularly improving conditions for its people, without relying on imperialism like western countries do. This is charting a genuine alternative to the naked plundering of the west towards the global south.

  I am not going to trust one person’s anecdotal experience vs the legitimate and long-term study I’ve done, the people who lived in the USSR, PRC, etc that I’ve spoken to and spoke positively of them, and the ongoing process of decay capitalist countries are in while socialist countries are steadily developing and improving. Go ahead, rely on the assumption that I must be stupid or ill-read to support a worker-centric economy rather than the absolute system of plunder that is crumbling. Keep doing Nazi apologia by equating a system of industrialized mass murder with a system that doubled life expectancy, democratized the economy, provided free and high quality healthcare and education, over tripled literacy rates to 99.9%, and more. Stay in your right-wing echo chamber formed by anecdotes and refuse to read anything.

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  • SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If anecdotal evidence means shit, let me add mine too. I grew up (yes, me, not my parents grandparents) in a communist state in India, and it was great lol. Does that now mean I get to deny all the legitimate criticisms of the system or that particular government? No. That’s not how it works you dumbasses. People give too much credence to anecdotal experience, even though it’s the most unreliable of all.

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Absolutely. There are *real" problems with socialist societies of all kinds, but on the whole they are positive. You can find positive anecdotes in the worst societies and negative in the best, what’s important is doing the due dilligence to study what went right and what went wrong truthfully. Thanks for your anecdote!

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• Acklavidian@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I wonder if the discourse here and elsewhere suffers from the perspectives used to approach the topic initially. Asking the question of “how do we get this system to work,” rather than just submitting to the failed outcomes of well-known examples. Most people don’t want to create a system by which one or a small group of people can prosper at the detriment of the larger community. I think understanding how these systems affect their populations on a granular level is the only way we can find/create the best system.

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  • Maalus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Why would I EVER want communism to work? Would you “sit down” and start thinking “how do we get Nazi Germany to work”? Of course you wouldn’t.

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    • Acklavidian@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well, by “working” I mean providing a framework for all of its citizens to pursue prosperity and happiness. “Working/success” would mean that none of the atrocities were able to happen, and different leaders would have been selected.

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        This is a bit of an idealistic look at things, rather than a materialist outlook. Socialist countries, past and present, have been faced with real problems. Their issues weren’t about “finding the right leader” or “picking the right recipe,” but largely real struggles that any country tasked with needing rapid industrialization while defending against foreign invasion and subversion would need to.

        Socialism isn’t about deciding on the right recipe, but analyzing historical progression and its laws so as to master them and wield them in our favor. No socialist country has been an outright “failure,” not even the ones that no longee exist.

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• ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  it doubled the life expectancy of those in the USSR

  Does that include political dissidents, homosexual people, and economic criminals? Oh those people were executed in droves? My mistake.

  Don’t waste your time on cowbee, he’s well spoken and slightly more polite than the rest of his ilk but he’s just as murderous as the rest of them, it’s just harder to get him to take his mask off.

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yes, it includes Nazis, the White Army, capitalists, etc. Gay people weren’t executed, the punishment was 5 years imprisonment, which is still awful but was better than other countries at the time. Calling me “murderous” for supporting socialist countries is laughable when you make shit up, lmao.

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    • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The mask is the “no we totally don’t want to murder people…except these people we decided should be murdered 'cause they’re Kulaks.” The quiet masky part is the "actually murder is good when I dislike someone.

      And forgive me, I was confusing Cuba executing gay people for the USSR, small whoopsie, and I’m sure none of the USSR gay people were worked to death in a gulag during their bid, nooo never.

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The capitalist farmers, little more than slave drivers, decided to resist collectivization by setting fire to their crops, murdering workers, fighting the Red Army, and killing their livestock, which ended up creating famine conditions. There wasn’t a widespread order to “kill all kulaks,” but there was widespread killing of kulaks that decided to violently resist having their mechanisms of slave-driving taken away.

        As for Cuba, they didn’t have a widespread execution campaign of gay people, either. Gay people were fined, imprisoned, and sent to re-education camps, a fact Castro himself has apologized for and maintains that it was a great injustice committed by the revolution. Homosexuality was de-criminalized in 1979 in Cuba, and today Cuba’s Family Code is among the most progressive in the world, far surpassing the US.

        You really have no clue what you’re talking about, otherwise you wouldn’t be praising the Russian equivalent of the US confederacy nor would you be speaking of Cuba as though it still persecutes gay people like the US does today. As a queer person myself, this “rainbow imperialism” nonsense coming from you only serves to support the US Empire. Without the Cuban Revolution, gay people would likely still be persecuted just as they were under the fascist slaver Batista regime, a practice ended by the revolution and the dramatic equality it stood for.

        I am not going to shed any tears for slavers, nazis, fascists, or the bourgeoisie as their property gets redistributed. There’s no “mask” there, that’s standard leftism of all stripes.

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  • Maalus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah defo a tankie. The absolute gall of these people to lecture the descendants of the victims of communism, about how great it was.

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    • diplodocus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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      • Maalus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Uh huh, forgot tankies like you think Poland doesn’t the right to exist as an independent nation. My bad mr overlord sir

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