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Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 weeks agoI have, actually, and I recommend you read up on how socialism actually works, including how it doubled the life expectancy of those in the USSR, tripled literacy rates to 99%, ended famine in countries where underdevelopment made famine common, brought free, universal healthcare, full free education, more vacation days and lower working hours, and more.
The PRC today is Socialist, and is responsible for the largest reduction in poverty in history, as well as some of the most rapid levels of economic development in history.
Communism is good, fascism is horrendous. Fascism was horrible for 99% of people, in countries like Germany there was industrialized mass murder, workers were kiloed en masse for organizing, and the rights of women and minorities were curbed. Socialism is good for the 99% and bad for the 1%. The Tsarists, capitalists, etc had their property confiscated and even were killed, while the 99% achieved great feats.
You definitely should Blackshirts and Reds. Further still, equating communism and fascism is a form of Naxi apologia, it originated with Double Genocide Theory which attempts to trivialize the holocaust and demonize socialism to make Nazism seem not as bad as it actually was.
Sure you did read up on all the attrocities. But all I need to do is read an online article that will be a total 180 from what my grandparents, parents lived through, their struggles. Grandpa’s family will totally come back from Siberia and they will be 18 forever.
Dude, fuck you. You know nothing about communism. It is a scourge and you are part of the problem.
Did you read up on all the atrocities caused by capitalism? Have you looked into the US gulag system? Its literally a plot point in the Andor series.
“wHaTaBoUt”
Yes, whatabout.
Because you can’t dismiss one system unless you’ve resolved the parallel conflicts in the replacement.
I’ve read dozens of books, hundreds of articles, and continue to read. The overwhelming majority of those who lived in the USSR want it back, this is a well-known phenomenon. Over 7 million people died due to the dissolution of socialism in the USSR, prostitution, drug abuse, poverty, disparity, all skyrocketed while life expectancy plumeted thanks to the utter destruction of the economy and the elimination of social safety nets.
Well over 90% of Chinese citizens support their government, even from western survey. Socialism in China lifted 800 million people out of poverty, and is combatting climate change and regularly improving conditions for its people, without relying on imperialism like western countries do. This is charting a genuine alternative to the naked plundering of the west towards the global south.
I am not going to trust one person’s anecdotal experience vs the legitimate and long-term study I’ve done, the people who lived in the USSR, PRC, etc that I’ve spoken to and spoke positively of them, and the ongoing process of decay capitalist countries are in while socialist countries are steadily developing and improving. Go ahead, rely on the assumption that I must be stupid or ill-read to support a worker-centric economy rather than the absolute system of plunder that is crumbling. Keep doing Nazi apologia by equating a system of industrialized mass murder with a system that doubled life expectancy, democratized the economy, provided free and high quality healthcare and education, over tripled literacy rates to 99.9%, and more. Stay in your right-wing echo chamber formed by anecdotes and refuse to read anything.
If anecdotal evidence means shit, let me add mine too. I grew up (yes, me, not my parents grandparents) in a communist state in India, and it was great lol. Does that now mean I get to deny all the legitimate criticisms of the system or that particular government? No. That’s not how it works you dumbasses. People give too much credence to anecdotal experience, even though it’s the most unreliable of all.
Absolutely. There are *real" problems with socialist societies of all kinds, but on the whole they are positive. You can find positive anecdotes in the worst societies and negative in the best, what’s important is doing the due dilligence to study what went right and what went wrong truthfully. Thanks for your anecdote!
I wonder if the discourse here and elsewhere suffers from the perspectives used to approach the topic initially. Asking the question of “how do we get this system to work,” rather than just submitting to the failed outcomes of well-known examples. Most people don’t want to create a system by which one or a small group of people can prosper at the detriment of the larger community. I think understanding how these systems affect their populations on a granular level is the only way we can find/create the best system.
Why would I EVER want communism to work? Would you “sit down” and start thinking “how do we get Nazi Germany to work”? Of course you wouldn’t.
Well, by “working” I mean providing a framework for all of its citizens to pursue prosperity and happiness. “Working/success” would mean that none of the atrocities were able to happen, and different leaders would have been selected.
it doubled the life expectancy of those in the USSR
Does that include political dissidents, homosexual people, and economic criminals? Oh those people were executed in droves? My mistake.
Don’t waste your time on cowbee, he’s well spoken and slightly more polite than the rest of his ilk but he’s just as murderous as the rest of them, it’s just harder to get him to take his mask off.
Yes, it includes Nazis, the White Army, capitalists, etc. Gay people weren’t executed, the punishment was 5 years imprisonment, which is still awful but was better than other countries at the time. Calling me “murderous” for supporting socialist countries is laughable when you make shit up, lmao.
The mask is the “no we totally don’t want to murder people…except these people we decided should be murdered 'cause they’re Kulaks.” The quiet masky part is the "actually murder is good when I dislike someone.
And forgive me, I was confusing Cuba executing gay people for the USSR, small whoopsie, and I’m sure none of the USSR gay people were worked to death in a gulag during their bid, nooo never.
Yeah defo a tankie. The absolute gall of these people to lecture the descendants of the victims of communism, about how great it was.
Edie@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Haha, I setup some stuff to keep look at the logging (as discussed a few days ago), and it’s funny how I can correlate this post with a small uptick in bots accessing the B&R page.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Oh wow! I always wondered if my comments actually get people to check out the pages and books I link, I’ve tried to focus more on explaining things in my own words unless a book or article is extremely relevant and quotes necessary (people sometimes saw my older style of quoting Marx, Lenin, Engels, etc as book worship, which is fair critique IMO).
That’s actually really interesting!
Edie@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Yea, we’ll see in the future. Right now it was just bots, so I assume the post got federated to these websites and then they went out to get title, description, and opengraph stuff to show.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Ah, gotcha, that makes sense. Federation is interesting.