I’ve heard they also like to disengage self-driving mode right before a collision.
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Pika@sh.itjust.works 18 hours agoFurthermore, with the amount of telemetry that those cars have The company knows whether it was in self drive or not when it went onto the track. So the fact that they didn’t go public saying it wasn’t means that it was in self-drive mode and they want to save the PR face and liability.
catloaf@lemm.ee 17 hours ago
sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
That actually sounds like a reasonable response. Driving assist means that a human is supposed to be attentive to take control. If the system detects a situation where it’s unable to make a good decision, dumping that decision on the human in control seems like the closest they have to a “fail safe” option. Of course, there should probably also be an understanding that people are stupid and will almost certainly have stopped paying attention a long time ago. So, maybe a “human take the wheel” followed by a “slam the brakes” if no input is detected in 2-3 seconds. While an emergency stop isn’t always the right choice, it probably beats leaving a several ton metal object hurtling along uncontrolled in nearly every circumstance.
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 17 hours ago
That actually sounds like a reasonable response.
If you give the driver enough time to respond, which tesla doesn’t. They turn it off a second before impact and then claim it wasn’t it self-driving mode.
whotookkarl@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Not even a second, it’s sometimes less than 250-300ms. If I wasn’t already anticipating it to fail and disengage as it went though the 2-lane wide turn I would have gone straight into oncoming traffic
catloaf@lemm.ee 17 hours ago
Yeah but I googled it after making that comment, and it was sometimes less than one second before impact: futurism.com/tesla-nhtsa-autopilot-report
nthavoc@lemmy.today 16 hours ago
So, maybe a “human take the wheel” followed by a “slam the brakes” if no input is detected in 2-3 seconds.
I have seen reports where Tesla logic appears as “Human take the wheel since the airbag is about to deploy in the next 2 micro seconds after solely relying on camera object detection and this is totally YOUR fault, kthxbai!” If there was an option to allow the bot to physically bail out of the car as it rolls you onto the tracks while you’re still sitting in the passenger seat, that’s how I would envision how this auto pilot safety function works.
elucubra@sopuli.xyz 17 hours ago
I don’t know if that is still the cae, but many electronic stuff in th is had warnings, with pictures like “don’t put it I the bath”, and the like .
People are dumb, and you should take that into account.
sturmblast@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
That sounds a lot more like a roomer to me… it would be extremely suspicious and would leave them open to GIGANTIC liability issues.
catloaf@lemm.ee 17 hours ago
In the report, the NHTSA spotlights 16 separate crashes, each involving a Tesla vehicle plowing into stopped first responders and highway maintenance vehicles. In the crashes, it claims, records show that the self-driving feature had “aborted vehicle control less than one second prior to the first impact”
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 hours ago
It’s been well documented. It lets them say in their statistics that the owner was in control of the car during the crash
sturmblast@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
That’s my whole point
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 17 hours ago
How so? The human in the care is always ultimately responsible when using level 3 driver assists. Tesla does not have level 4/5 self-driving and therefore doesn’t have to assume any liability.
sturmblast@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
If you are monkeying with the car right before it crashes… wouldn’t that raise suspicion?
Pika@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
This right here is another fault in regulation that eventually will catch up because Especially with level three where it’s primarily the vehicle driving and the driver just gives periodic input It’s not the driver that’s in control most of the time. It’s the vehicle so therefore It should not be the driver at fault
Honestly, I think everything up to level two should be drivers at fault because those levels require a constant driver’s input. However, level three conditional driving and hire should be considered liability of the company unless the company can prove that the autonomous control, handed control back to the driver in a human-capable manner (i.e Not within the last second like Tesla currently does)
IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
I have a nephew that worked at Tesla as a software engineer for a couple years (he left about a year ago). I gave him the VIN to my Tesla and the amount of data he shared with me was crazy. He warned me that one of my brake lights was regularly logging errors. If their telemetry includes that sort of information then clearly they are logging a LOT of data.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
Modern cars (in the US) are required to have an OBD-II Port for On-Board Diagnostics. I always assumed most cars these days were just sending some or all of the real-time OBD data to the manufacturer. GM definitely has been.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
Dude, in today’s world we’re lucky if they stop at the manufacturer. I know of a few insurances that have contracts through major dealers and they just automatically get the data that’s registered via the cars systems. That way they can make better decisions regarding people’s car insurance.
Nowadays it’s a red flag if you join a car insurance and they don’t offer to give you a discount if you put something like drive pass on which logs you’re driving because it probably means that your car is already getting that data to them.