Comment on A woman tried to call her mom in Iran. A robotic voice answered the phone

• outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Iran, look what they were wearing!

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• SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Are greater power responsible for the actions of their proxies?

  Before you answer, remember the answer to that question applies to both sides in this conflict.

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  • AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What proxy? Israel bombed Iran unprovoked directly, no proxy there.

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    • pishadoot@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The most prevalent proxies are the houthis and Hezbollah, which Iran has been arming, financially supporting, and influencing for about two decades now so they can attack Israel without getting themselves into an all out war with Israel and the USA, which they know they would likely lose.

      Argue all you want about whether or not Israel should have bombed Iran, but calling it unprovoked is extremely disingenuous.

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      • AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        By that logic, half the world has the right to bomb the USA for arming proxies all over the world, though.

        Also, why are you jumping to defend the actions of a state currently committing genocide against Palestinians?

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      • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Hamas is also an Iranian proxy. They attacked Israel in a very big way.

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    • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I mean, they are someone’s proxy.

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    • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Is Iran responsible for what Hamas does with the weapons and munitions they supply them?

      Is the US responsible for what Israel does with the weapons and munitions they supply them?

      Do you have the same answer for both of these questions?

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      • AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Is Iran responsible for what Hamas does with the weapons and munitions they supply them?

        Yes, Iran is responsible for supplying weapons to Palestinians in their legitimate right of violent defense against an occupying force. Don’t you like international law or what?

        Is the US responsible for what Israel does with the weapons and munitions they supply them?

        Yes, the US is responsible for keeping the weapon deliveries to a genocidal apartheid state.

        Are you, by any chance, trying to somehow equate Israeli genocidal violence to Palestinian militant defence against a genocidal occupying force?

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      • xenomor@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Hamas is justifiably resisting a violent occupation. Also, the US has been participating far more directly in the apartheid and genocide than just supplying munitions.

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      • the_tab_key@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yes to both.

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      • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No, because I’m sane. How much do you get paid for this? I’m an insufferable piece of shit willing to tell insane lies for no reason, and looking for work. Or, I mean I’ve got a friend who is.

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      • beveradb@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’m not the person you’re replying to, but I’m genuinely curious to understand your point of view.

        For what it’s worth, my personal answer to those questions is the same for both questions, I think - “mostly”.

        I think the US is ultimately the one to blame for the vast majority of conflict around the world, as they’ve been destabilising fledgling democracies, installing puppet governments, supplying tons of weapons, assassinating leaders, generally manipulating and bullying many countries for many decades. In general I think the US is the world’s biggest bully, and has a ton of rich people who profit from war, and the middle east has been one of their many warmongering playgrounds for a long time, sadly.

        However, I do also think both Iran and Israel are really shitty, for many reasons - from what I’ve seen as an outsider who has never been to either place, both countries seem to have a long standing, deep rooted racially motivated hatred towards one another, and both are very willing and eager to use force and start wars. Not to mention the variety of human rights abuses in both countries.

        So basically I think “everyone sucks here”, but I do think the US is ultimately responsible for most of the conflict. They’ve been meddling in Iran for decades, and Israel has been essentially an extension of the US’s usual bullying for decades, unfortunately accelerated by Netanyahu’s excitement to escalate and expand their territory through genocide and settlement, supported by US and various other western countries’ military supplies…

        I’ve seen a few of your messages recently and it seems like you’ve got a lot of anger, but I’m confused about who it’s directed at and why 😅

        Would you be willing to explain your point of view on the conflict, or link me to a post where you’ve already explained it?

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      • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You really are a master of defending the indefensibly monstrous. Not well, but in such a way as to piss literally everyone off and insult every living thing almost separately!

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      • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Your trolling is a thing of beauty. I’m learning so much about how to come off as an irrational piece of shit.

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      • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Are you making it about Hamas now?
        Palestine has the right to defend itself from colonisers, anything Hamas does is pisrahells fault. FAFO Go cry somewhere else

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