Comment on Operation Narnia: Iran’s nuclear scientists reportedly killed simultaneously using special weapon

• AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  But like… Presumably, you’re not just individually killing a bunch of civilians precisely

  No, they’re not precise at all unless you consider their families and potentially an entire building full of people to be acceptable “precision.”

  That’s why it seems like bullshit to pretend lower tech cluster bombs are an inexcusable evil compared to Palantir AI drones.

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  • theneverfox@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    But that’s it exactly - cluster bombs just fling granades all over a city block at random. It’s basically just collateral damage in the hopes of hitting a soft target

    I mean, fuck palantir and I really don’t like this tech in general, but blowing up a room or a house is way more precise. You’re hitting just what you mean to hit

    And that’s what a lot of war crimes come down to - certain weapons are unacceptably imprecise. Which gets into the first rule of war crimes - you’re not supposed to attack noncombatants

    Let’s not defend cluster bombs just because Israel is going to use this for justification…

    Because of course they will, this whole thing started by blowing up the Iranian negotiator, they’re obviously not going to start acting in good faith now

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    • AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I’m not defending cluster bombs, I’m saying it’s bullshit to kill multiple families in an apartment building and pretend your the fucking good guys because you have more sophisticated tech. Especially when there was no reason to attack Iran like this in the first place.

      He’s been accusing Iran of being weeks away from having nuclear weapons since 2012. He almost gets voted out of leadership and when he doesn’t he jumps on the opportunity to start bombing Iran and taking out these scientists (and everyone around them) who he had been targeting since November.

      He and Trump are going to get us all killed to gain money and power. Fuck them and fuck anyone that wants to keep defending this ignorant bullshit, as if people can’t see clear as day, exactly what these sacks of shit are doing.

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      • theneverfox@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Hey, friend, take a breath. Listen… This isn’t how we all die. Unless you live in Iran I guess, and then maybe, depending how it plays out - but even that is not at all a sure thing. I know this is pretty bad, but you can’t burn yourself out on this one

        This isn’t world war III. It’s just another bad thing. China has signaled nothing on this and Russia is in no position to do anything. Europe has been quiet, the other Gulf states have been quiet… This could turn into another forever war, but this isn’t going to spark a powder keg.

        But yeah, Iran has clearly been trying to return to the fold for years now, and netanyahu has started a second conflict to hold into power. It’s very obvious who the aggressors are

        And yes, if you use targeted means to hit civilians and their family, obviously that’s a war crime.

        But war crimes don’t cancel out. There’s no place for whataboutism when real human lives are being snuffed out in their homes. We make a list, and hopefully soon the fascists will fall and all the war criminals will stand trial

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    • ulterno@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      cluster bombs just fling granades all over a city block at random

      That gave me the mental image of an Age of Empires 2 mangonel.

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  • MangoCats@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    they’re not precise at all unless you consider also killing their families and potentially an entire building full of people to be acceptable “precision.”

    No matter where you are on the scale, you could always get better (just killing the intended target) and worse (low yield nuke somewhere near the building.)

    The saddest part is when they calculate that the collateral damage is “beneficial” to their cause. That’s the kind of calculation that tends to become more and more inaccurate over the long term.

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  • Llewellyn@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    They are more precise than cluster bombs.

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