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TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Meh, I don’t think there’s a need for conspiracy for 9/11 to be a legitimate terrorist attack. It gives too much credit to Bush and his ilk and down plays the political blowback of the US’s interventional history in the Middle East.

The term “never let a good crisis go to waste” has been around for a while.

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kingofras@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Your assumptions preventing from giving this serious consideration:

Bush or Americans were behind 9/11

there has been any blowback for any of the staged military conflicts since WWII?

I’ll put the TLDR here: 911 was a brazen cascade foreign intelligence agency assault on the United States. The president and the cabinet were made aware of the impending attack. The attack A three stage attack comprising of wtc pentagon and the capitol. The demand was to start wars and at least outlined by Netanyahu in previous months and years in front of the UN security council. First Afghanistan, then Iraq then Syria than Lebanon and Iran. After each attack occurred to stop the other planes or let them reach their destination.

Most likely the US was also told that these were Arabs doing this, And that this foreign intelligence agency could stop them at any moment if they agreed to their terms.

Every year since 911, With every action on every front and the Middle East, including the genocide and the US backed insurgency of Syria, one can see this plan come to fruition.

Consider:

US has been a nuclear superpower since 1944.

The USA did not just win WWII, And performed a military annexation of mainland Europe. This meant that the most free thinking and democratic part of the world will always think twice before criticising their ‘ally’

If you’re a massive country but not US aligned, how do you military strategise against that? China, Russia, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, not to mention the some off the other allies would all have made various attempts and some successful to infiltrate the country they can’t attack without risking the end of the world. You think they sat still for half a century? The US is an active culture ending threat if you’re not aligned with them.

middle eastern policy has been dictated by a zionist death cult for decades if not centuries. They are very well funded, highly intelligent and organised and have their own spooks that can make any assassination look like an accident.

for the longest time, the most common used method of an oppressor or aggressor is to either attack itself and pin the blame on the soon to be enemy, or to annoy the enemy enough and pester and poke them until they October 7 you (still make sure all border guards are down so they can do it unhindered)

a bunch of barely trained pilots fly 4 airliners directly to their destination, perfectly synchronised all within the same couple of hours in the most heavily guarded airspaces in the world and with the most sophisticated airliners…

the military just happens to be doing anti hijacking drills at the exact time of events

3 massive steel structure buildings collaping at near freefall speed (1, 2 and 7)

the impact ring of the pentagon being enforced just months prior to the ~~missile~~ plane hitting it.

no cctv footage of the plane hitting pentagon released till this day, bar a couple of video frames from one angle

Sec Def announcement the day before that 2 trillion dollars of the military budget went missing

the massive amount of quick actions that followed in the fog of war in the hours and days later, how and why wtc7 was brought down, why the steel was shipped to China without investigation

Your take is fine if you only briefly glance at it. Spend any more than 30 minutes on it and you’ll understand why we live in a clickbait, fast news distraction meme culture.

Understanding 9/11 is how I understand US foreign policy ever since. We’re living in Animal Farm, and the world has let the world’s bully do what it did out of gratitude for WWII and because you keep your worst enemy closer than your friends.
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- TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Your assumptions preventing from giving this serious consideration:
  
  Bush or Americans were behind 9/11
  
  there has been any blowback for any of the staged military conflicts since WWII?
  
  I’m not sure if you are making a statement or asking questions?
  
  Are you saying I’m assuming bush or Americans were behind 9/11? Because I don’t agree with that statement.
  
  Am I supposedly assuming there has or hasn’t been blowback? I’m not sure what you mean by staged military conflicts?
  
  Imo American has a long history of experiencing blowback from our interventions since WW2.
  
  911 was a brazen cascade foreign intelligence agency assault on the United States. The president and the cabinet were made aware of the impending attack. The attack A three stage attack comprising of wtc pentagon and the capitol. The demand was to start wars and at least outlined by Netanyahu in previous months and years in front of the UN security council.
  
  I think you are giving the US foreign intelligence agency a lot more credit than they deserve. Yes there were warnings of an impending attack, but that’s not really super uncommon, nor is the failure to take those warnings seriously, or are failures in communication between intelligence agencies.
  
  The demand was to start wars and at least outlined by Netanyahu in previous months and years in front of the UN security council. First Afghanistan, then Iraq then Syria than Lebanon and Iran.
  
  I mean, you are attempting to connect over 20 years of history back to a singular event. 9/11 for sure influenced those events in some ways, but I wouldn’t believe that intelligence agencies had the ability to plan an event specifically with the goal of making those things happen.
  
  It kinda ignores a grand series of policy failures of us leaders, and also takes away any sense of self autonomy from the people of those countries.
  
  After each attack occurred to stop the other planes or let them reach their destination.
  
  I don’t really know what you are saying here or how it connects to your previous claims?
  
  Most likely the US was also told that these were Arabs doing this, And that this foreign intelligence agency could stop them at any moment if they agreed to their terms.
  
  I’m sorry are you saying that it was done by a non US foreign intelligence agency? Or are you not counting the NSA or CIA as American? Are you claiming the mossad is behind 9/11? You are being very vague.
  
  Every year since 911, With every action on every front and the Middle East, including the genocide and the US backed insurgency of Syria, one can see this plan come to fruition.
  
  I think you would have to ignore an awful lot of factual history and policy taken by several different administrations to make the claim that some shadow organization has been maliciously running US policy for over 2 decades.
  
  US has been a nuclear superpower since 1944.
  
  The USA did not just win WWII, And performed a military annexation of mainland Europe. This meant that the most free thinking and democratic part of the world will always think twice before criticising their ‘ally’
  
  I think you have to be a little more clear about what you are trying to say here? Are you claiming the US took over Europe after WW2 and everyone was too afraid to do anything because of nukes, despite nthe fact that several people in Europe have nukes themselves?
  
  you’re a massive country but not US aligned, how do you military strategise against that? China, Russia, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, not to mention the some off the other allies would all have made various attempts and some successful to infiltrate the country they can’t attack without risking the end of the world.
  
  I mean, China and Russia were both allies during and for a short time after WW2 before the rise of red scare. India and Pakistan are probably a little more preoccupied with each other than the US. Saudi Arabia was and still is a close ally of the US…
  
  You think they sat still for half a century? The US is an active culture ending threat if you’re not aligned with them.
  
  I think you are forgetting about the whole Cold war thing that never really ended?
  
  middle eastern policy has been dictated by a zionist death cult for decades if not centuries. They are very well funded, highly intelligent and organised and have their own spooks that can make any assassination look like an accident.
  
  I think America’s support of Israel is pretty well documented… I don’t think they need to really manipulate the US with a 9/11 to get us to support their Zionism.
  
  the longest time, the most common used method of an oppressor or aggressor is to either attack itself and pin the blame on the soon to be enemy, or to annoy the enemy enough and pester and poke them until they October 7 you (still make sure all border guards are down so they can do it unhindered)
  
  I think you’re conflating a false flag (which rarely pan out well) with a false flag attack against your only real ally. False flag attacks have a pretty well established history of blowing up in people’s faces, and I don’t really think you’d risk doing a 9/11 against your longest established ally, when they are already supporting your every whim.
  
  This also ignores the fact that al-queda had already tried to blow up the towers once before.
  
  bunch of barely trained pilots fly 4 airliners directly to their destination, perfectly synchronised all within the same couple of hours in the most heavily guarded airspaces in the world and with the most sophisticated airliners…
  
  I mean, one of them didn’t make it, and planes aren’t really that hard to fly. You can literally buy a simulator pilots utilize to practice and do fairly well after a couple hours. We don’t have fighter jets constantly flying around just waiting to shoot down any airliners that don’t check in on time. People used to regularly highjack aircraft all the time in the 70s.
  
  the military just happens to be doing anti hijacking drills at the exact time of events
  
  Would kinda make sense considering there was intelligence that people were planning on highjacking planes.
  
  3 massive steel structure buildings collaping at near freefall speed (1, 2 and 7)
  
  Yeah, the towers were externally supported by cladding that pins to the top of the tower. In those buildings if the top falls into itself they have a cascading failure effect. They weren’t really massive steel buildings, they had a concrete and steel medial support column, but actually a lot less steel than nearly any other type of sky scraper. That’s why they were nearly see through in the right light. The aluminum cladding actually did the majority of the support in the superstructure.
  
  the impact ring of the pentagon being enforced just months prior to the ~~missile~~ plane hitting it.
  
  I don’t see how that really has much to do with anything? Material upgrades like that would probably take years to plan, fund, and implement.
  
  no cctv footage of the plane hitting pentagon released till this day, bar a couple of video frames from one angle
  
  Well first you say nothing has been released, then you say the video we have isn’t good enough? It was the early 00’s. Cameras weren’t as ubiquitous as they are now. If it wasn’t a plane, what happened to the planes and all the people in them? Why use planes for the towers and a missile for the Pentagon? If it I was the mossad who did 9/11 like you allude, how did they get a missile?
  
  Sec Def announcement the day before that 2 trillion dollars of the military budget went missing
  
  The NSA has a black budget of billions of dollars…that doesn’t mean we’re doing a hundred f 9/11s a year?
  
  the massive amount of quick actions that followed in the fog of war in the hours and days later, how and why wtc7 was brought down, why the steel was shipped to China without investigation
  
  Youd have to specify what quick actions you find suspicious, but I would think it to be abnormal if there wasn’t a swarm of activity after you kicked a hornets nest.
  
  There was an investigation…the 9/11 commission came out with tons of data.
  
  Your take is fine if you only briefly glance at it. Spend any more than 30 minutes on it and you’ll understand why we live in a clickbait, fast news distraction meme culture.
  
  Your take only makes sense if you ignore the massive amounts of history and evidence that doesn’t fit your pet theory.
  
  Understanding 9/11 is how I understand US foreign policy ever since.
  
  Lol, so you don’t understand us foreign policy…gotcha.
  
  Understanding 9/11 is how I understand US foreign policy ever since. We’re living in Animal Farm, and the world has let the world’s bully do what it did out of gratitude for WWII and because you keep your worst enemy closer than your friends.
  
  What are you smoking? America didn’t win WW2… That ignores the fact that the Soviets did the majority of the fighting…where was their gratitude?
  
  Your world view doesn’t make any sense and is fantastically ahistorical.
  
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  - kingofras@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Clearly I didn’t communicate very well. I was positing that people then to view it as a polar choice. SO if it wasn’t Al Qaida, it must have been Bush… It is the base premise, from a country thinking between two sports clubs at a superbowl, to 2 major parties, to good and evil concepts. When you make certain accusations to certain foreign intelligence agencies (where did I write US foreign intelligence agencies?) then you don’t name them.
    
    Anyway, seeing how you’re a Commission Report apologist who doesn’t understand
    
    buildings, no matter their construction cannot fall at near free fall speed.
    
    The Pentagon, even in 2001 was a highly secured building, there were many CCTV angles of the pentagon covering the impact.
    
    the uncommon nature of a 2 trillion $ going missing EVER, let a lone the day before, let alone the value of that money that day.
    
    And most interestingly, people like you always assume that people who say it certainly wasn’t what the official story says it was, then have to offer a complete fully funded investigation and propose exactly what happened to the random arbitration of your satisfaction. How about they did an actual investigation first? Like a criminal investigation by an impartial 3rd party body?
    
    The reason they got away with it is because the bigger the lie, the more people believe it, and a vast majority of the population is raised so lovingly that that can’t imagine anyone doing such a cowardly, manipulative narcissistic act in order to move a hidden agenda forward.
    
    All the rest isn’t really worth engaging any further in, as you don’t get the basics down, and can’t open yourself up to my hypothesis. I have considered and studied most of yours.
    
    Don’t get me wrong, I would trade that part of my consciousness, as I see lots of people live much simpler and happier lives by believing the official story.
    
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    TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    . I was positing that people then to view it as a polar choice. SO if it wasn’t Al Qaida, it must have been Bush… It is the base premise, from a country thinking between two sports clubs at a superbowl, to 2 major parties, to good and evil concepts.
    
    Right, but my original state was that there doesn’t need to be a conspiracy before the US to be attacked for our history of foreign intervention. I never claimed it was bush.
    
    When you make certain accusations to certain foreign intelligence agencies (where did I write US foreign intelligence agencies?) then you don’t name them.
    
    Which is why I asked for clarification… foreign intelligence agency can mean both an intelligence agency from a foreign country or a domestic intelligence agency who operates non foreign soil. Is English your second language?
    
    Anyway, seeing how you’re a Commission Report apologist who doesn’t understand
    
    Lol, and you appear to be in the “jet fuel can’t melt steel beams” community.
    
    buildings, no matter their construction cannot fall at near free fall speed.
    
    I don’t imagine you have the education to determine what “near free fall speed is” nor do you have any evidence that supports that claim.
    
    The Pentagon, even in 2001 was a highly secured building, there were many CCTV angles of the pentagon covering the impact.
    
    And you know that how? Plus what is your point? What exactly are you implying by assuming they are hiding footage?
    
    the uncommon nature of a 2 trillion $ going missing EVER, let a lone the day before, let alone the value of that money that day.
    
    I mean, it would be odd if it were true…
    
    And most interestingly, people like you always assume that people who say it certainly wasn’t what the official story says it was, then have to offer a complete fully funded investigation and propose exactly what happened to the random arbitration of your satisfaction.
    
    Lol, that is the basis of any claim. If you are making a claim, it has to be backed by evidence. Even if we are not following that very basic rule, pointing out simple flaws in your theories logic is a way to make you actually think about it instead of automatically believing in it.
    
    How about they did an actual investigation first? Like a criminal investigation by an impartial 3rd party body?
    
    That’s what a commission is you dolt.
    
    The reason they got away with it is because the bigger the lie, the more people believe it, and a vast majority of the population is raised so lovingly that that can’t imagine anyone doing such a cowardly, manipulative narcissistic act in order to move a hidden agenda forward
    
    Lol, yeah it well know the more people involved nwith your lie, the less likely you’ll be discovered.
    
    the rest isn’t really worth engaging any further in, as you don’t get the basics down, and can’t open yourself up to my hypothesis. I have considered and studied most of yours.
    
    You didn’t pay out a hypothesis…you’ve made cryptic and vague accusations about the current narrative without offering a kind of actual hypothesis on what exactly happened on the day of 9/11.
    
    Don’t get me wrong, I would trade that part of my consciousness, as I see lots of people live much simpler and happier lives by believing the official story.
    
    Are you off your meds? The “I am the main protagonist’s energy” is reaching clinical levels.
    
    If you want an actual rundown from a non biased source I would suggest Well there’s your problem
    
    It’s a podcast about engineering problems run by an engineer, and the hosts are all varying degrees now leftist. The one I linked is about the towers, but they also have one over building 7.
    
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Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Just as a random btw:
wiki/The_Lone_Gunmen_(TV_series)

In the pilot episode, which aired March 4, 2001 (exactly six months and one week prior to the September 11 attacks[5]), rogue members of the U.S. government remotely hijack an airliner flying to Boston, planning to crash it into the World Trade Center, and let anti-American terrorist groups take credit, to gain support for a profitable new war following the Cold War. The heroes ultimately override the controls, foiling the plot.

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- TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  And Coup’s album cover depicted the twin towers exploding a few months before the attacks.
  
  Are we suggesting the band and this show were somehow connected with the government…or the government planned their attack in a few months/weeks after witnessing these works?
  
  The fact is that since they were built the towers were signals of the American empire and were obvious targets for terrorist organizations, especially after the first attempt to bomb them.
  
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