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Comment on The "standard" car charger is usually overkill—but your electrician might not know that [32:26]

I think “might be overkill” would be a better title and position than “usually overkill.”

It factually is not.

most people would fall behind anytime they drive further than the average number of miles.

Assume you drive it all the way to empty, then park it and plug it back in at 7PM. Leave it for 12 hours until you leave again in the morning. A typical small EV will charge at ~5MPH on a 110V, 1.2kW connection (faster on a 20A circuit). So 5MPH x 12 hours means you already have 60 miles of range again for the next day. And I would say that’s a pretty extreme scenario.

I use L1 almost exclusively, BTW.

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dogslayeggs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
Congrats on finding a solution that works for you. I have a short commute (16 miles round trip) and was OK to use L1 charging on a “usually” basis. However, I do more things in my life than just going to work and back. After work I might drive another 90 miles round trip to meet some friends at a brewery. Or I might drive only a couple miles to a buddy’s house and not get home until 11pm, so I now only have 7 hours to charge at L1 instead of 12 hours. And on weekends when I’m maybe driving a couple hours to hike in the desert and come back, I now have 16 hours to charge for work on Monday after driving 210 miles round trip.

Switching from L1 to L2 charging at home made driving an EV go from a daily chore to something I almost never thought about.

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- Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  This is not about me or you, this is “usually”.
  
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blitzen@lemmy.ca ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

It factually is not.

Factually, it’s not either. Both are statements of opinion, although I’d say saying the word “usually” should have some degree of proof behind it.

My statement of “might be” recognizes that there are many instances that L1 makes sense, and I agree with the video that for those for whom it does shouldn’t needlessly install a 240v outlet. Sounds like you’re among those.

I’d say that, sadly, most EV drivers drive more than 40 miles per day on average, and that the moment you drive more than 60 miles per day you’ll have difficulty recharging to full. Most days, you’ll have no trouble recharging overnight. But if you’re like me, you might take a day trip over 100 miles away a handful of times per year. When that happens, I’d arrive home with very little battery left; am I supposed to have the ability to charge for 50 hours?

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- Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  Factually, it’s not either. Both are statements of opinion
  
  It is not. Hence “factually”. We know for a fact how far people “usually” drive.
  
  But if you’re like me, you might take a day trip over 100 miles away a handful of times per year. When that happens, I’d arrive home with very little battery left; am I supposed to have the ability to charge for 50 hours?
  
  I just explained this in the comment you replied to.
  
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  - blitzen@lemmy.ca ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    I just explained this in the comment you replied to.
    
    You explained how it’s doable when you drive 60 miles, which I admit will be most people most days (12 hours of charging at 5 miles per hour charged.) Average EV has 293 miles of range currently; even if you arrived home with 20% battery remaining and you only wanted to recharge to 80%, that’s (at 5 miles per hour charged) over 25 hours. Empty to full is over 58 hours!
    
    At least once every few months we take a day trip to the nearest “big” city, which is 105 miles away. Typically a Sunday. Leave on a full battery, arrive home nearly empty. 8 hours of charging, and I maybe have enough for the next day. I will run a deficit until the weekend.
    
    Again, I’m certainly not saying that a L2 charger is a must for all people, or even most people. But I would not agree that L1 is enough for most people.
    
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    Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    You explained how it’s doable when you drive 60 miles
    
    Read it again. I said 60 miles the day after driving it to 0%. Again “most people” don’t need this.
    
    Average EV has 293 miles of range currently; even if you arrived home with 20% battery remaining and you only wanted to recharge to 80%,
    
    Thats 176 miles of range. People don’t “usually” need that.
    
    At least once every few months we take a day trip to the nearest “big” city, which is 105 miles away.
    
    You said all of this already and I already replied to it.
    
    I’m certainly not saying that a L2 charger is a must for…most people. But I would not agree that L1 is enough for most people.
    
    🤔 Wat. Do you think there’s like a L1.5 or something?
    
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hissingmeerkat@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
What electric vehicle gets 5 miles/1.2kWh? That’s only 240 Wh/mi.

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- Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  What electric vehicle gets 5 miles/1.2kWh?
  
  …I have no idea what you’re talking about.
  
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