Like this isn’t by design?? Young men are swinging so hard because they are most eagerly vulnerable to manipulation. It isn’t happening by accident, a quirk of circumstances or unintentional neglect.
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JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Warren Farrell has been warning the world for 20 years that neglecting and marginalising young men is going to result in generations of angry men who have checked out of society and will turn to criminality. By every available metric from suicide to educational outcomes, boys and young men are suffering enormously. Drowning people do terrible things. Lashing out at society in the ballot box is going to be the least of our issues soon.
Despite this, I predict society will continue to blame them for their failures, marginalise them, mock them, and pretend that they’re privileged. This is going to get worse until people are ready to have a serious society-wide discussion about how we can help young men succeed in the modern world.
jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
I don’t think young men are genetically predisposed to this. They are the product of the society in which they grow up. They’re seeking help because no one else is there to help.
jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
You don’t think young men are genetically predisposed to seeking violent solutions and promoting violent rhetoric, more so than young women are? Because I think they very obviously are. I don’t think that’s remotely disputable. And I think that’s being intentionally exploited.
There are LOTS of people “there to help”. But you don’t find them on 4chan.
zedcell@lemmygrad.ml 1 week ago
Waaaahwaahwaah
Fucking get a grip, women have had to deal with way more shit historically and contemporarilly and haven’t become shit heel fascists and bigots. This is male supremacists upset at their power slipping away from them, and yearning to take a firm hand of the whip.
NeonNight@lemm.ee 1 week ago
I think it’s funny how if you ignore the needs and wants of young men, you get an increase in angry criminals that drag society down. But if you ignore the needs and wants of young women, you get business as usual. Thats why so many men resist women speaking up. They think it takes their voice away; they don’t want to be treated like women, so they rebel. We need a new status quo that treats us as equals. Don’t shame young men, but people need to be teaching them to be better too.
JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
I don’t think framing their issues in terms of women’s issues is helpful. “But what about men” is just a unhelpful when dealing with issues for women. Feminism did great things to advance the interests of women, and it required coordination and struggle over many decades against a system which wasn’t receptive to their needs. Now, each year, the U.S. spends close to $8B on women’s initiatives spanning many areas from healthcare to education. If you’re suggesting men need their own movement, perhaps you’re right. Perhaps what we’re seeing is the early formation of that. Messy, uncoordinated, and immature, as are all early movements.
In the mean time, I don’t think “be better” is a resonant message. It was rightly dismissed when people said it to women in the 1960s and it should be dismissed now. These issues are structural and require structural solutions. I think a big part of this is economic. Men are taught from a young age (by men and women) that unless they make a lot of money, they’re worthless. Society is offering fewer and fewer opportunities for men in traditionally blue collar industries to thrive. If we offer few opportunities and call them worthless for not succeeding, this is a recipe for societal instability.
NeonNight@lemm.ee 6 days ago
The only kind of social “movement” men need is the collective banning of manosphere content. That’s what’s brainwashing these young boys. The rest are symptoms of a failing capitalist economy.
JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
Telling people what not to do is far less effective than giving them positive and aspirational advice. Jordan Peterson literally told boys to clean their room and he became outrageously popular overnight. How sick is our culture when boys are so starved for wholesome masculine guidance that they’ll cling to the first man who gives them healthy paternal advice like “clean your room”? Something people on the left in particular do not understand about this issue is that telling boys to be more like girls doesn’t work. They need to be told it’s normal and healthy to be aggressive and competitive and physical, as long as it’s done in a way which doesn’t hurt people. Masculinity isn’t evil. Anyone who calls it “toxic” should be admonished and derided. We need Aragorn like figures in the real world to show boys what healthy masculinity looks like.
Katana314@lemmy.world 1 week ago
The two genders are equal, but still different. There are things to celebrate in each, and also conversations you’d want to hold in private with either group about the best way to look to their future.
I agree that we need men to stop seeing “women’s voices” as an attack though. I think it comes up because young white men see hundreds of support groups and slogans that champion every other minority, and will never once mention them. Even if the argument is they’re not “threatened” in a way they deserve it, and even if members of their demographic basically rule the world, the feeling of exclusion for them as individuals is real.