Comment on Matrix.org is Introducing Premium Accounts

• surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You can’t just look at the exchange rate. You have to look at cost and standard of living.

  Someone in the US making 100k is not doing as well as someone in France making 70k€

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  • railcar@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Doing better until you happen to incur a medical emergency, then bankrupt.

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  • FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Then at this point I start to wonder: why can’t they take people in countries where the cost of living is cheaper? When you’re funded by donations, this seems more logical

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    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You’ve basically just reinvented off shoring.

      CEO don’t just run company. Their job is also to determine strategy and work relationships to improve sales/donations. They should be hired wherever they can do that best.

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• philpo@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And a 80k$ salary in France amounts to around 125k$ cost for the employer. So 170k$ isn’t that much - I actually know French developers and network engineers that make similar money. The French ITsec architect I interviewed last year would have cost me (converted) around 150k$.

  So 170k$ is absolutely not out of the normal range here.

  Talking about France: The French government could start to properly support matrix.org as they use it for tChap. The same goes for Germany with the “Behördenmessenger”

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  • FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So 170k$ isn’t that much

    If that’s the amount the company pays, then yea. If this is the amount the employee receives, then that’s a lot. Like really.

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    • philpo@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      As we are looking at the company expenditures here, it’s the former.

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      • FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Why would it display the priced paid by the company like this, when it doesn’t for other countries like France though? Seems weird

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• thundermoose@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Listed salaries are almost always what the employee pays, not what it costs the company. In the US, this includes the payroll tax, and cost of “benefits,” like healthcare and unemployment insurance, and is referred to as the burdened rate. This is separate from the income tax the employee has to pay to the government, mind you.

  The burdened rate for most employees at the companies I’ve worked for in the US is like 20-50% higher than the salary paid. Not sure exactly how it works in France, but I do know there’s a pretty complex payroll tax companies have to pay. I think it’s something like 40% at the salary you quoted.

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  • FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    what the employee pays

    seems like there’s a problem here?

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  • FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Pretty much the same in France. Companies pay 150% to 200% of the amount that the employee receives, when the employee has a relatively high pay, and the employee then pays a significant amount of its pay in diverse things, then the income tax hits. France is pretty much one of the countries that taxes the most in the world so…

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  • Pieisawesome@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Plus you have to add in the amortized cost of legal, HR, etc for employees.

    Not a big deal for 1-2 employees, but as you scale you need support employees

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• acockworkorange@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  80k plus all of society’s trappings of France. Dude, it’s not even a comparison. Worker’s rights, healthcare, public transit, safety, security…

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  • FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Indeed, but it’s understandably a super high amount compared to what we get. If you’re in good shape, you get way more money. If not, you probably get less.

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    • acockworkorange@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Good shape? I think something got lost in translation.

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      • FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I meant good health, no (mental) illness, no medical treatment, already have somewhere to live…

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