perestroika@lemm.ee 9 months ago
There’s a book on the subject written by Srdja Popovic.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueprint_for_Revolution
Summary: protests that start (and try to remain) non-violent have a greater chance to succeed, because they can attract more people to their cause.
Critique: with some regimes, it’s not possible to non-violently protest. For non-violent protest to work, the environment must respect a minimum amount of human rights.
Case samples:
…etc. In some places, you can’t organize. Then your only option is to fight. As long as you can publicly organize, definitely do so - it’s vastly preferable. :)
US during the civil rights movement era: yes USSR under Gorbachev: yes Serbia under Milosevic: yes, with difficulty on every step (Popovic was there doing it)
Imaginary history.
Israel under Netanyahu: probably yes
They murdered hundreds of palestinians during peaceful protests. GTFO with this BS.
How many times can you list russia/ussr? Give me a break with this lib imperialism.
I may list it as many times as I need. I was born there and grew up there. As an archist, give me a break with this commie imperialism.
Your point is so important that I don’t think it can be stressed enough.
Nonviolent protests are more popular in public opinion. Public opinion gets you more people on your side. More people on your side is more power, and when the regime starts cracking down on peaceful protests, it will be easier to get more people to fight than it would be of we advocate for violence from the start.
Not sure you should include Gorbachev since he illegally dissolved the USSR against the will of the people.
dissolved the USSR against the will of the
peopleRussians
Seems to be just about everybody wanted to leave the USSR.
Yes, the USSR, famous for respecting the will of the people …
The end of East Germany was crazy precisely because it was so peaceful. A number of popular outcries in the late 80s instigated civil reforms. And then one of the defense ministers was asked on national TV in '89 “hey, does this mean we don’t need the Berlin Wall anymore”. He shrugged and confessed it was no longer needed. And the military took that as a signal to step aside and let the wall get torn down.
In less than six months, the country was holding free elections. And by the following year, they’d reunified.
No shots fired. A purely popular and peaceful revolution that happened practically overnight, by historical standards.
Excuse me, I have a question. Who was the leader of the USSR when this happened?
Israel under Netanyahu: probably yes
When Palestinians protest peacefully they get shot at.
Thanks for correcting. You’re right, I should have written something else about Israel under Netanyahu. :(
Srdja Popovic
LOL
inthesetimes.com/…/wikileaks-docs-expose-famed-se…
Telling you have the name perestroika, by the hated traitor Gorbachev putting them in misery while corrupt oligarchs from the west leeched on Russia.
LOL complete BS
Tankies are going to hate this comment.
Tankies are going to hate this comment.
They already are. :) I didn’t quite expect this effect, but I welcome it. :)
Crazy how triggered (and retarded) they are. Even got one who, rather than admitting he was wrong, doubled down arguing that the GDR was a USSR member state. For some reason that was important to his “argument”.
It’s crazy to talk about the US Civil Rights movement as peaceful, given the police / domestic terrorist bloodbath it resulted in.
How many civil rights leaders need to be shot to death before a movement isn’t peaceful anymore?
I understood US Civil Rights movement to be peaceful, as in the people in the movement did not instigate violence. Calling a protest violent because those in power struck back violently seems nonsensical to me.
I understood US Civil Rights movement to be peaceful, as in the people in the movement did not instigate violence.
I’m more responding to
then citing the US during the civil rights movement as a place where non-violent protest was possible.
Calling a protest violent because those in power struck back violently seems nonsensical to me.
When the police run into a crowd with attack dogs and billy clubs, while members of a white mob drag black demonstrators off to the nearest large tree to be lynched, I can’t imagine how you define that as “peaceful”.
Bcs it’s garbage
You do realize that he wasn’t run over unlike the Palestinians who do get run over by Israeli tanks.
thanks CIA, your cringe BS is still cringe.
Guess that’s all you have, certainly not arguments
For hell’s sake have you ever seen the entire video from which the picture was extracted? The guy literally stopped the tanks, had a chat with them, and walked away unharmed.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I gotta ask, how the hell was the US in the 1960s a safe place to nonviolently protest? Police violence aimed at colored protesters during that era was notorious. Plus the church bombings, the lynchings, the assassinations…
indepndnt@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I don’t think anyone said that nonviolent protest was safe…