Comment on We went from LEARN TO CODE to NO ONE LEARN TO CODE GET A CONSTRUCTION JOB in about a 3 year span.

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• mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  LLMs can’t code worth a shit yet. But techbros are determined to change that. The sad reality is that code is just a form of language, and LLMs are good at learning languages. They can’t code worth shit right now, but the progress likely will improve them.

  We’ll still need experienced debuggers who can actually code. But in a decade, the broad strokes will likely be done by LLMs, which will vastly shrink the demand for experienced coders.

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  • Isoprenoid@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The sad reality is that code is just a form of language, and LLMs are good at learning languages.

    This is debatable. LLMs are prediction machines.

    What use is prediction when you are trying to code something new?

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    • Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The vast majority of coding isn’t making something new, it’s using existing patterns and tools and arranging them to fit a specific use case.

      Llms may not be able to create a new framework or design pattern, but neither will most coders in there day to day.

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      • Isoprenoid@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        The vast majority of coding isn’t making something new, it’s using existing patterns and tools and arranging them to fit a specific use case.

        I would argue that arranging something to fit a specific use case is making something new.

        Ask any designer how difficult it is to get a spec sheet from a client and meet their expectations. We’re expecting LLMs to suddenly solve this problem.

        Llms may not be able to create a new framework or design pattern

        Until they can do this, there is little threat to designers. There will be less grunt work, of course.

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      • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Tbh this whole thing made me realize what we really need is a modular automated code bank

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    • Yermaw@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Right now they are. Who knows what tomorrow will bring.

      Compared to just 20 years ago we’re living in the future. You may not have noticed the progress because you’d expect the future to includes hoverboards.

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      • pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Right now they are. Who knows what tomorrow will bring?

        We do. Experienced programmers who have been promised we’re about to be obsolete several times, now. For many of us, this isn’t our first rodeo.

        As an expert in computer, there’s two things I can guarantee:

        1. Computer just keep getting smarter, and will continue to do so.
        2. After decades of getting smarter, computers remain deeply stupid in ways that non-experts cannot imagine. However dumb you think your comput might be, I promise it’s somehow significantly dumber than that.

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  • pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Lmfao the hardest part of building a product is understanding customer wants and needs. LLMs are incapable of understanding

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    • CtrlAltDefeat@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You described project management

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      • pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        No, it’s the difference between software engineering and software development. If your project manager is handling that, your org is wack

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      • hibsen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I thought that was just the job we give people who are trying their best but can’t really anything.

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  • Saleh@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Learning a language and forming and expressing complex thoughts in an efficient way are three different things.

    Learning the syntax of a programming language doesn’t make you a programmer.
    Being able to solve complex problems with the programming language makes you a programmer.
    Being able to solve complex problems with the programming language in an efficient way makes you a good programmer.

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