Comment on We went from LEARN TO CODE to NO ONE LEARN TO CODE GET A CONSTRUCTION JOB in about a 3 year span.

Vinny_93@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  That won’t stop large corporations from dramatically reducing programming jobs my friend.

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  • dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Until they notice that cleaning up after failed AI-written code is more expensive than writing working code from the start. Which is already happening for some companies.

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    • pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Which is already happening for some companies.

      Yes. We’re just getting there. There wasn’t really any hiring of junior developers, and it takes about three years for a junior to grow into a senior.

      It also takes 3-5 years for stupid code choices to hurt in ways that affect a businesses bottom line.

      These two factors should boil over each-other nicely in the near future.

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      • ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        takes about three years for a junior to grow into a senior.

        We might have vastly different definitions what is a senior then, or you’re peaking at the Donner-Kebab curve.

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  • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I watched in real time tech bros defending AI about stealing everyone’s art to them realizing that they’re creating something that will replace them. It’s was sad funny.

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  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    They will be forced to replace the laid off workers when they see that AI doesn’t replace them. Having a skill will still be valuable. Search “Klarna AI rehire”. That’s just support agents. Coders will be fine.

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  • Zachariah@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Sounds like a lot of opportunities opening up for smaller independent companies.

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• DelightfullyDivisive@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I think a lot of the crunch in the labor market for programmers is “monkey see monkey do” thinking at the big tech companies. It might even be somewhat calculated, though I hesitate to call something a conspiracy when it could simply be due to stupidity on the part of senior management.

  Large tech companies tend to have a lot of flexibility and their total headcount because they have a wide variety of departments and tasks that they can set aside for an extended period before it causes any problems. Those problems will eventually catch up with them, though, as will a code base written by somebody who doesn’t understand what they’re trying to accomplish.

  So I think the pendulum is going to swing back to a labor crunch at some point. My guess is at least another 6 months before we see any hint of that, though. I don’t think it will be as bad as it was before the advent of LLMs, though. They really are a productivity enhancing tool, particularly for software developers who know what they’re doing.

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  • Harlehatschi@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The only field I see LLMs enhancing productivity of competent developers is front end stuff where you really have to write a lot of bloat.

    In every other scenario software developers who know what they’re doing the simple or repetitive things are mostly solved by writing a fucking function, class or library. In today’s world developers are mostly busy designing and implementing rather complex systems or managing legacy code, where LLMs are completely useless.

    We’re developing measurement systems and data analysis tools for the automotive industry and we tried several LLMs extensively in our daily business. Not a single developer was happy with the results.

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• TheFogan@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Well yeah but I believe the idea is in short the uncertainty, why it’s saying “in 10 years”. Think of it now as you have a kid graduating high school this year, and asks you what to major in in college that’s likely to make enough to pay off those killer loans it’s going to take.

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  • rikudou@lemmings.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Well, Wordpress was meant to replace all professional web builders. Visual programming was meant to obsolete all programmers because everyone will be able to write software. Every decade there’s a new thing that will replace programmers. Nothing did so far.

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    • pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Nothing did so far.

      You have to admit, Visual Basic 3.0 was hot shit, though, right?

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