Both sides having valid points is almost always the case with issues of any complexity. I'm very curious to know why there isn't a sweeping trump card that ultimately deems one side as significantly more ethical than the other
Great analysis tho--very thankful for the excellent breakdown unless you used ai to do it or if that ai is ultimately not justifying the means adequately. No actually I'm thankful regardless but I'm still internally conflicted by the unknown
lime@feddit.nu 1 week ago
no matter your stance on the morality of language models, it’s just plain rude to use a machine to generate text meant for people. i would never do that. if i didn’t take the time to write it, why would you take the time to read it?
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
I think there may be two exceptions to that rule.
Accessibility. People who may have issues writing long coherent text due the need to use some different input method (think about tetraplegic people for instance). LLM generated text could be of great aid there.
Translation. I do hate forced translation. But it’s true that for some people it may be needed. And I think LLM translation models have already surpassed other forms of automatic software translation.
dil@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
There are always exceptions/outliers to any rule, it’s basically playing devils advocate to bring them up, I never care for it, like a conversation about someone murdering someone for funsies and saying but there are cases where people should be murdered like the joker from batman
0xD@infosec.pub 1 week ago
But these are neither problems of the technology, nor of it being hosted. It’s an issue of the person using it, the situation, and the person receiving it, as well as all their values.
Not sure why people are directing their hate against the tools instead of the actual politics and governments not taking the current and potential future ones seriously. Technology and progress are never the problem.
lime@feddit.nu 1 week ago
the problem with entirely separating the two is that progress and technology can be made with an ideology in mind.
the current wave of language model development is spearheaded by what basically amounts to a cult of tech-priests, going all-in on reaching AGI as fast as possible because they’re fully bought into rokos basilisk. if your product built to collect and present information in context is created by people who want that information to cater to their world view, do you really think that the result is going to be an unbiased view of the world? sure the blueprint for how to make an llm or diffusion model is (probably) unbiased, but when you combine it with data?
as an example, did you know that all the big diffusion models (stable, flux, illustrious etc) use the same version of CLIP, the part responsible for mapping text to features? and that the CLIP part is trained on medical information? how might that affect the output? sure you can train your own CLIP, but will you? will anyone?
0xD@infosec.pub 1 week ago
I see what you mean, but is there any evidence that the models are biased in a way that affirms the world view of the owners? If I understood you correctly? I couldn’t find any.
I’m as sceptical of the capitalist fuckwits as you seem to be, but their power seems to me to be more political/capitalist through the idea of AGI, than through the models themselves. Something that simple sequestration could solve. But that’s on the government and the voters.
I’m not sure about the point you are trying to make with CLIP. It’s not a topic I’m familiar with, but also seems to be more a problem of the usage and people that the technology itself. Naïve usage by people who want to follow trends/the cheapest option/just something that works in any capacity.
For me, the issue lies first in the overhyped marketing which is par on course for basically anything, unfortunately, as well as the fact, that suddenly copyright infringement is fine, if you make enough money off of it and lick powerful boots. If it was completely open for everyone, it wouls be a completely different story IMO.
Also, I do not think that the models were created with the goal of pushing a certain narrative. They lucked into it being popular, completely unexpectedly, and only then the vultures started seeing the opportunity. So we will see how it evolves in that regard, but I don’t think this is what we’re seeing currently.