Comment on ChatGPT "Absolutely Wrecked" at Chess by Atari 2600 Console From 1977

• givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Yeah, but it’s chess…

  The LLM doesn’t have to imagine a board, if you feed it the rules of chess and the dimensions of the board it should be able to “play in its head”.

  For a human to have that kind of working memory would be a genius level intellect and years of practice at the game.

  But human working memory is shit compared to virtually every other animal. This and processing speed is supposed to be AI’s main draw.

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  • jerkface@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It doesn’t have a head like that. It places things in a conceptual space, not a numerical space. To it, a number is just an adjective, like a colour. It is learning to play chess by looking for language-like patterns in the game’s transcript. It is never attempting to model the contents of the board in it’s “mind”.

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  • PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The LLM doesn’t have to imagine a board, if you feed it the rules of chess and the dimensions of the board it should be able to “play in its head”.

    That assumes it knows how to play chess. It doesn’t. It know how to have a passable conversation. Asking it to play chess is like putting bread into a blender and being confused when it doesn’t toast.

    But human working memory is shit compared to virtually every other animal. This and processing speed is supposed to be AI’s main draw.

    Processing speed and memory in the context of writing. Give it a bunch of chess boards or chess notation and it has no idea which it needs to remember, nonetheless where/how to move. If you want an AI to play chess, you train it on chess gameplay, not books and Reddit comments. AI isn’t a general use tool.

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    • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      if you feed it the rules of chess and the dimensions of the board it should be able to “play in its head”.

      You’d save a lot of time typing, if you spent a little more reading…

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      • PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        You seem to be missing what I’m saying. Maybe a biological comparison would help: An octopus is extrmely smart, moreso than even most mammels. It can solve basic logic puzzles, learn and navigate complex spaces, and plan and execute different and adaptive stratgies to humt prey. In spite of this, it can’t talk or write. No matter what you do, training it, trying to teach it, or even trying to develop an octopus specific language, it will not be able to understand language. This isn’t because the octopus isn’t smart, its because its evolved for the purpose of hunting food and hiding from predators. Its brain has developed to understand how physics works and how to recognize patterns, but it just doesn’t have the ability to understand how to socialize, and nothing can change that short of rewiring its brain. Hand it a letter and it’ll try and catch fish with it rather than even considering trying to read it.

        AI is almost the reverse of this. An LLM has “evolved” (been trained) to write stuff that sounds good, but has little emphasis on understanding what it writes. The “understanding” is more about patterns in writting rather than underlying logic. This means that if the LLM encounters something that isn’t standard language, it will “flail” and start trying to apply what it knows, regardless of how well it applies. In the chess example, this might be, for example, just trying to respond with the most common move, regardless of if it can be played. Ultimately, no matter what you input into it, an LLM is trying to find and replicate patterns in language, not underlying logic.

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