If you’re being apprehended by ICE, you’re almost certainly losing some of those no matter how you respond. I don’t know that you’ve got better chances if you fight back alone, but if people around you join in and try to unarrest you, you might have a shot at going home that evening.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 month ago
If you’re the one guy being arrested, fighting against 10 agents will only get you bruises and additional charges.
If you’re one of the witnesses the chances of unarresting someone are slim and the chances of going to jail are big. I would admire anyone who’s brave enough to do it but sad truth is that there are very few people like that out there.
skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
They aren’t agents unless they have a badge and a warrant. Failing to produce those means you are being assaulted by unknown assailants. Your freedom and life are already in danger at that point and you have a legal right to self defense.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Sure, but if I’m going to be kidnapped and sent to a black box prison to die, I don’t know if I would care much about that.
Bystanders who are obviously white and documentably citizens are in the best position to try to unarrest people, if they can. It’s not illegal to prevent a kidnapping if you can, and a group of people who don’t show a warrant or identify themselves taking someone off the street against their will is a kidnapping.
I’m aware that it requires bravery and has very serious potential consequences, but I cannot emphasize enough that just because a person is not currently the target of this type of violence, does not mean that they can stay uninvolved. I understand not wanting to do it, but it’s like not wanting to go to the doctor about a sketchy mole because you’re afraid of hospitals.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Nope. Fighting will get me killed. I ALWAYS have a knife on me. I’ll take at least two of the shit stains with me though. I know lots of places to strike where you will bleed out in less than a minute.
thedruid@lemmy.world 1 month ago
No you won’t. Knives are s shit weapon. You pull it , you get shot.
Smoke and fear are far more potent weapons.
Can’t apprehend what you can’t see
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’ve been shot before. That doesn’t stop me, unless they get lucky. I agree about smoke, but if they come to my house, I have molotovs.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It is in fact amazingly difficult to actually shoot someone who is already at knifing distance who is intent on both cutting you and not getting shot. You can get past the muzzle of a gun very easily at melee distance, especially if all the other guy has is a rifle. And you only need one hand to keep control of your opponent’s gun if you have any modicum of skill. You don’t have to keep him from shooting it and in fact you probably won’t, but all you have to do is keep him from shooting it at you,
You will get shot by his buddies, sure, but not before you’ve stuck your pigsticker in his spleen.