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UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Ukraine is obviously the victim here. The Ukrainian people are amazing and have their own rich history and culture as well that deserves to be preserved and respected and cultivated. They do not deserve any of this.

It’s weird to suggest anyone would. But we’ve been hearing about how “Now is the time for a Ukrainian counterattack!” since 2022. Tens of thousands of Ukrainian conscripts got shoveled into Russian defense lines and butchered by mines and artillery, while Westerners cheered like they were watching some kind of pro-sporting event.

FFS, you can find videos all over the internet of Ukrainians and Russians butchering one another and bragging about it. You can find bespoke influencer news networks bragging about how their team is “Owning” the opposition with grisly reprisals.

Talking about one does not mean I don’t care about the other.

It’s just a show for the West. You don’t actually give a shit, because you don’t see (or care) about the cost anyone is paying.

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Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
You will never find anybody as morally reprehensible as Marxists who support and defend Russia’s genocide in Ukraine. Go fuck yourself Russian shill

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- UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Marxists want the war to end and the working people to stop killing one another to the benefit of their bosses.
  
  Only the imperialists need you to take sides in order to continue the killing.
  
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  - Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    No, fuck off moron. Russia started this war, they’re committing a genocide, and they’re 100% responsible for ALL of it. Trying to “both sides” the most obviously one sided conflict in the world by blaming the victims for defending themselves puts you and your shitty ideology in the same tier as nazis, which sounds about right for Marxism. You support and defend Russia’s imperialist genocide, you’re morally reprehensible.
    
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    UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Trying to “both sides” the most obviously one sided conflict
    
    Same line Americans used in Afghanistan and Iraq. Same line the Israelis are using in Gaza.
    
    The genocidal impulse runs through the West like a plague. All you people know how to do is shoot and cry.
    
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Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
This entire post is literally about a successful counterattack on Russian soil. One with zero Ukrainian casualties.

What, exactly, do you want from this conversation? People to recognize that Ukrainians are suffering? They do recognize that - that’s why they don’t want Ukraine to lose.

A defeated Ukraine would suffer far worse than they are now, as retribution for defending themselves and embarassing Russia in the process. Ukrainians would inevitably be conscripted to fight in Russia’s next attempt at conquest anyway.

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- UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  One with zero Ukrainian casualties.
  
  Zero reported casualties. And then nobody wants to talk about retaliation as a consequence.
  
  A defeated Ukraine would suffer far worse
  
  “Things will be worse once the bombs stop falling” is pure war propaganda.
  
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  - Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Lol what unreported casualties do you imagine there could even be? The drone operators developing carpal tunnel?
    
    And then nobody wants to talk about retaliation as a consequence.
    
    Right, because Russia hasn’t been trying until now? They haven’t really tried to crush Ukraine, they’ve just been playing around? But now that Ukraine has bloodied their nose, boy are they sure gonna find out what Russia’s capable of. Lol.
    
    “Things will be worse once the bombs stop falling” is pure war propaganda.
    
    No, “things will be worse when a nation is conquered by a hostile dictatorship” is not propaganda. Ukraine knows that for a fact, because they’ve been through this before.
    
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    UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Lol
    
    What is it with the 101st Chairborn and their need to make light of human casualties?
    
    what unreported casualties do you imagine there could even be?
    
    Intelligence on the ground, particularly spotters near the target, would be the most obvious potential liabilities.
    
    But now that Ukraine has bloodied their nose
    
    They’ve been bloodying one another for years on end. This isn’t the first successfully Ukrainian strike since the war started.
    
    Seriously, what do you even want here?
    
    To quite treating this bloodbath as a fucking football game.
    
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LandedGentry@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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- UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  I am just teasing out exciting (well as exciting as war can be, which is horrific)
  
  I wish people were more willing to confront the horror and less eager to speculate on the excitement.
  
  Instead, we just see bloodlust. People online clutching their keyboards in rapt anticipation of the next bombing or shelling or assassination, like this isn’t costing uncounted civilian lives to put points on the board.
  
  What do you want? More solemnity? Do you want us to not cheer for Ukraine? I mean what the hell is your goal?
  
  To get people to see this as an ongoing disaster, tragedy, and fundamental political failure, rather than some kind of CoD Twitch Stream epic playthrough.
  
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    UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    you that we are on a community called “shitpost.”
    
    That doesn’t make the post good. It’s ghoulish.
    
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