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This is such a gross misinterpretation of my comment and my intent. I’m not really sure why you feel the need to grind this ax but there is no way what I said is actually the cause. My heart goes out to Ukrainian people, but my comment was intended to shit on Russia and talk about how sad it is that a country has become a rogue state with a horrible leader and a population that is not willing to say “no.”

I can be sad for both countries. Ukraine is obviously the victim here. The Ukrainian people are amazing and have their own rich history and culture as well that deserves to be preserved. They do not deserve any of this. But just because I was talking about the impact on Russia does not mean I don’t care about Ukraine. And fuck you for implying otherwise.

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UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

Ukraine is obviously the victim here. The Ukrainian people are amazing and have their own rich history and culture as well that deserves to be preserved and respected and cultivated. They do not deserve any of this.

It’s weird to suggest anyone would. But we’ve been hearing about how “Now is the time for a Ukrainian counterattack!” since 2022. Tens of thousands of Ukrainian conscripts got shoveled into Russian defense lines and butchered by mines and artillery, while Westerners cheered like they were watching some kind of pro-sporting event.

FFS, you can find videos all over the internet of Ukrainians and Russians butchering one another and bragging about it. You can find bespoke influencer news networks bragging about how their team is “Owning” the opposition with grisly reprisals.

Talking about one does not mean I don’t care about the other.

It’s just a show for the West. You don’t actually give a shit, because you don’t see (or care) about the cost anyone is paying.

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- Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  This entire post is literally about a successful counterattack on Russian soil. One with zero Ukrainian casualties.
  
  What, exactly, do you want from this conversation? People to recognize that Ukrainians are suffering? They do recognize that - that’s why they don’t want Ukraine to lose.
  
  A defeated Ukraine would suffer far worse than they are now, as retribution for defending themselves and embarassing Russia in the process. Ukrainians would inevitably be conscripted to fight in Russia’s next attempt at conquest anyway.
  
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  - UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    
    One with zero Ukrainian casualties.
    
    Zero reported casualties. And then nobody wants to talk about retaliation as a consequence.
    
    A defeated Ukraine would suffer far worse
    
    “Things will be worse once the bombs stop falling” is pure war propaganda.
    
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    Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Lol what unreported casualties do you imagine there could even be? The drone operators developing carpal tunnel?
    
    And then nobody wants to talk about retaliation as a consequence.
    
    Right, because Russia hasn’t been trying until now? They haven’t really tried to crush Ukraine, they’ve just been playing around? But now that Ukraine has bloodied their nose, boy are they sure gonna find out what Russia’s capable of. Lol.
    
    “Things will be worse once the bombs stop falling” is pure war propaganda.
    
    No, “things will be worse when a nation is conquered by a hostile dictatorship” is not propaganda. Ukraine knows that for a fact, because they’ve been through this before.
    
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- Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  You will never find anybody as morally reprehensible as Marxists who support and defend Russia’s genocide in Ukraine. Go fuck yourself Russian shill
  
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  - UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Marxists want the war to end and the working people to stop killing one another to the benefit of their bosses.
    
    Only the imperialists need you to take sides in order to continue the killing.
    
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    Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    No, fuck off moron. Russia started this war, they’re committing a genocide, and they’re 100% responsible for ALL of it. Trying to “both sides” the most obviously one sided conflict in the world by blaming the victims for defending themselves puts you and your shitty ideology in the same tier as nazis, which sounds about right for Marxism. You support and defend Russia’s imperialist genocide, you’re morally reprehensible.
    
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- LandedGentry@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Dude I am just teasing out exciting scenarios, not drawing up fucking battle plans and speaking with Zelenskyy personally.
  
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  - UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    I am just teasing out exciting (well as exciting as war can be, which is horrific)
    
    I wish people were more willing to confront the horror and less eager to speculate on the excitement.
    
    Instead, we just see bloodlust. People online clutching their keyboards in rapt anticipation of the next bombing or shelling or assassination, like this isn’t costing uncounted civilian lives to put points on the board.
    
    What do you want? More solemnity? Do you want us to not cheer for Ukraine? I mean what the hell is your goal?
    
    To get people to see this as an ongoing disaster, tragedy, and fundamental political failure, rather than some kind of CoD Twitch Stream epic playthrough.
    
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    LandedGentry@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I want you to take a second and look at the post that we are commenting on right now.
    
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