Comment on Aboriginal community shaken by second death in Australian police custody

muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Thats not how statistics work. If anything you would have to look at frequency of police custody deaths and check if this is an anomaly or a trend.

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  • Eyekaytee@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    We did, it turns out per capita white men died more often, in the last few years it looks like 3:1:

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    aic.gov.au/…/deaths-custody-australia-quarterly

    They are commit per capita significantly higher amount of crime:

    Indigenous people are 15 to 20 times more likely to commit violent offences than non-Indigenous people according to research released today.

    www.abc.net.au/news/2010-04-08/…/2602494

    Which is what happened in this case as well

    Speaking in Darwin on Tuesday afternoon, Assistant Commissioner Travis Wurst said the man, believed to be from Alice Springs, “was placing items down the front of [his] clothing” when he was confronted by security guards.

    “One of the security guards was assaulted and there were two police officers, who were in plain clothes at the time, in the supermarket who rendered assistance to the security guards,” he said.

    “The male behaved rather aggressively and was placed onto the ground by those police officers, he was later identified as losing consciousness.”

    www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-27/…/105344116

    Many of them live out in the middle of no where are bored and out of work, surrounded by criminals and go no where in life, not much you can really do

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    • MoreZombies@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Doesn’t Non-Indigenous encapsulate more than just “White people”…?

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      • Eyekaytee@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        yeah

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    • Aussieiuszko@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Cross-posting my rebuttal of this misleading stat:

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      It’s not just that.

      Aboriginal people died at a rate of 0.13 per 100 prisoners, compared to a death rate of 0.21 per 100 prisoners for the total prison population.

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      The same AIC report calculated that Indigenous people as a whole died in police custody at more than six times the rate of non-Indigenous people as a whole – 0.61 per 100,000 people, compared to 0.09 per 100,000 people.

      As a prison population, they don’t die at a higher rate. As a whole peoples they do.

      theguardian.com/…/the-facts-about-australias-risi…

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      • ziltoid101@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Those middle paragraphs were kinda important though, tbf. It was explaining that as a whole they are more likely to die in custody because they are more likely to be in custody in the first place. When addressing hypotheses specifically about deaths in custody, the first statistic (where indigenous people are not overrepresented) is a lot more meaningful.

        We need to do a lot to improve the treatment of indigenous people, that goes without saying. It’s important that we’re barking up the right tree, but I appreciate that it’s a sensitive topic and it’s also important to not just cite cold stats. It’s a big issue - why are they overrepresented in custody? I don’t think there is some magical instant answer, but I think broader history shows that addressing poverty will simultaneously address a lot of these issues.

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    • ziltoid101@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      As a bleeding heart leftist, this is a very sound argument. I’m a huge advocate for indigenous rights, and I get worried seeing articles that essentially imply police brutality (specifically towards indigenous people over non-indigenous) is the root cause of problems, when the evidence is that it is much deep, systemic, and more complicated than that. Perhaps people want the problem to be police brutality because that would be a more tangible problem, something that can be fixed in a reasonable amount of time with the right review or changes to policing.

      I get it - it sucks even thinking about issues where there are no “good” solutions. It’s a tragedy that indigenous people are overrepresented in custody, but it’s ultimately poverty that leads to being in custody in the first place. I wish people directed more attention towards addressing indigenous poverty rather than band-aid fixes that won’t really lead to long-term healing.

      With that said, any death in custody deserves proper review. There was no reason this arrest had to end this way.

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    • muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Who’s down voting this? How can people dislike hard objective data?

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      • guillem@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Because before editing it was drawing wrong conclusions from the data. If you torture data long enough it will confess to anything.

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      • Aussieiuszko@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Cos it’s shit.

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      • BlueSquid0741@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Because your statement reads as “people dying isn’t good but this affects fuck all people”

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    • guillem@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Sorry but if Indigenous people are like a 3% of the total population and that table shows absolute numbers, you have the per capita calculation very wrong.

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      • Eyekaytee@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/…/fsi6oql/

        Indigenous deaths in custody: 25 years since the Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody

        Twenty-five years has passed since the Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody (RCIADIC). This paper examines the trends and characteristics of Indigenous deaths in custody since 1991–92, using data obtained through the National Deaths in Custody Program (NDICP). NDICP data show Indigenous prisoners are now less likely than non-Indigenous prisoners to die in prison custody, largely due to a decrease in the death rate of Indigenous prisoners from 1999–2000 to 2005–06. Coinciding with this decrease in the death rate of Indigenous prisoners is a decrease in the hanging death rate of Indigenous prisoners. Monitoring trends and characteristics of both Indigenous and non-Indigenous deaths in custody supports the development of proactive strategies addressing this important issue.

        www.aic.gov.au/publications/sb/sb17

        Sorry but if Indigenous people are like a 3% of the total population and that table shows absolute numbers, you have the per capita calculation very wrong

        I’ll separate the comments because I wasn’t referring one to the other

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  • muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’m not trying to compare custody death rates between different groups I’m simply questioning the relevance of this article as a whole. I think its far more effective for us to be focusing on issue that effect most people before we worry about solving an issue that effects a fraction of a fraction of a percent.

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    • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I believe there is plenty of news about large issues. There is no lack of information that prevents humanity from doing better, its a lack of will to act and infinite greed. Reporting even more about the same issues that affect a lot of people wont change that in the slightest.

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      • muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I think it absolutely will. The efforts of hank green and his team in regards to tuberculosis is a great example of how hammering the same point again and again can have significant effects.

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    • Gronk@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      This issue does affect all of us, this person was in custody.

      The authorities had an obligation to ensure the wellbeing of this person and they failed that duty, this needs to be investigated and protocols need to be put in place to prevent this happening again.

      A friend of mine died years ago due to a loophole in a certain law, his family contacted their council member and the law was amended to prevent this type of accidental death across Australia.

      For one guy, 1 out of 23 million at the the time and they passed a law. So I ask how is this different to you?

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• ComradePedro@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Least racist lemm.ee post 🤡

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