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• fr0g@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Bigotry, blatant bigotry especially is hardly subjective. It’s more subtle forms might be harder to indentify without making some biased judgements, but that doesn’t make it inherently subjective.

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  • mwguy@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I don’t know how you can say that given that less than 100 years ago in all of the Western world (save maybe France). Bigotry was the default governmental, societal and scientific position. And opposition to it was seen as distasteful as bigotry is today.

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    • fr0g@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t understand what point you think you are making here. Me saying bigotry can be objectively indentified and is objectvely bad (although I didn’t even argue for that yet) isn’t invalidated by pointing out society used to think (what we today identify as) bigotry was good. Because past people thinking X was good might just have been a subjective judgement, unless you can provide the reasoning people used to argue for X being good and it objectively holds up. And people subjectively deciding X is good, has asolutely zero bearing on whether X is objectively good or not. People mistakenly thinking the Earth is flat doesn’t meam that we can’t objectively determine that it isn’t.

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      • mwguy@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Bigotry is inherently a thing whose definition changes over time based on the society/person making the decision. As opposed to the flatness or roundness of the earth.

        You in 1923, 2023 and 2123 will all decide with the same set of facts that the earth is not flat. That’s objectivity.

        You in 1923, 2023 and 2123 will all have different decisions on what is and is not bigotry given the same set of facts. That’s subjectivity.

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