Comment on ABC pulls interview with Palestine advocate from website and iview

• BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You can’t be “left” when you’re pro-genocide

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  • sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They aren’t very efficient with “genocide” are they? Bad shots you reckon?

    It is a terrible war without resorting to hyperbole. I understand it is for PR but surely we can be better than that on Lemmy?

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    • IncongruousMonkey@aussie.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The accepted definition of genocide isn’t what you think it is. It isn’t what I thought it was either, until I educated myself.

      I can’t see any way to argue that blocking food to a large population of civilians is NOT genocidal. It doesn’t require active military action to meet agreed UN criteria:

      www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition

      Article II

      In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

      Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

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    • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Oh damn. I thought you were a reasonable person with different views until this comment. It took you an impressively long time to come out with the explicit genocide denial.

      I’m surprised Beehaw of all places allows genocide denial, tbh.

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      • sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Do you really need to resort to name calling and bullying? There are reasonable arguments to be had.

        You call it genocide but I do not accept your redefinition of the word. Do you call Russia’s war on Ukraine genocide? Russia targets purely civilian towns with drones and missiles (unlike Gaza situation) but it isn’t genocide. I can acknowledge that despite being pro-Ukraine.

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    • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Holocaust denier

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• Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think it’s very important to start from the place of acknowledging that nothing Hamas does or has done is relevant. Whether someone condemns Hamas or wholeheartedly supports them, or (as most people probably do) sit somewhere in between, really doesn’t matter. Because genocide is absolutely, totally, inexcusable. Even if Hamas were committing genocide themselves, that does not excuse Israel’s genocide. And the fact is that Hamas isn’t committing genocide. They literally could not if they wanted to. They haven’t the power necessary for it.

  Any organisation that is censoring people who accuse Israel of genocide, or who play whataboutism games by trying to ensure that condemnations of Israel are always followed by condemnations of Hamas, are abetting genocide.

  This meme summarises it nicely.

  A cartoon of a cat saying “It’s impossible to starve children to death in self defense”

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  • sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That meme ignores Hamas hijacking aid.

    Hamas could just surrender.

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    • IncongruousMonkey@aussie.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      ah yes “stop making me hit you, just do what I say! this is all your fault!”

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      • sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And you want what? Israel to roll over and allow continuous repeats of Oct 7 (which Hamas vowed to do, on the record)?

        Here is a more mature response you could have given me: how would Israel know if all of Hamas surrendered?

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    • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Stop the whataboutism. Stop defending genocide. Nothing Hamas does or could do can defend genocide.

      But if you really want to play that game: everything Hamas does is also Israel’s fault. Israel created Hamas. They funded Hamas deliberately as a way to destabilise the Palestinians. They create oppressive conditions in which a militant organisation like Hamas is bound to thrive. Everything that Hamas does is a predictable outcome of Israel’s actions, and the ultimate blame lies squarely on them.

      But again, that’s irrelevant. Because even if Hamas’s own actions weren’t Israel’s fault, Israel’s actions obviously are. Murdering children, doctors, and journalists by the hundreds are classic fascist moves. Displacing people en mass from their homes is genocide. Collective punishment is a war crime. Deliberately starving people is a war crime. Stop defending genocide.

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      • sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Senior Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri… [in an] interview, which aired on a Libyan television channel… referred with indifference to the number of Palestinians who have been killed in the Gaza war, calling this “the price we have to pay,” and remarked that the women of Gaza will compensate for the loss by “producing” more babies than those who have been killed.

        memri.org/…/gazans-furious-hamas-it-has-nothing-c…

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      • sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        ProPals throw “whataboutism” when someone tries to discuss nuance as often as Zionists throw “anti-Semitism” when they are criticised.

        The two points remain unaddressed by you:

        Hamas hijack aid and are complaining now that IDF wants yo control the distribution to prevent this.

        Hamas could surrender for a swift end to the war.

        everything Hamas does is also lsrael’s fault. lsrael created Hamas. They funded Hamas deliberately as a way to destabilise the Palestinians.

        Indeed. Bibi favoured Hamas over Fatah and for cynical reasons as you point out. You are not talking to a one-eyed football mentality person. Hamas (Being right wing fascists like Likud) should have known the consequences of Oct 7 well in advance but they naively thought they could rally Arab neighbours to battle like in the past.

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