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sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

ProPals throw “whataboutism” when someone tries to discuss nuance as often as Zionists throw “anti-Semitism” when they are criticised.

The two points remain unaddressed by you:

Hamas hijack aid and are complaining now that IDF wants yo control the distribution to prevent this.

Hamas could surrender for a swift end to the war.

everything Hamas does is also lsrael’s fault. lsrael created Hamas. They funded Hamas deliberately as a way to destabilise the Palestinians.

Indeed. Bibi favoured Hamas over Fatah and for cynical reasons as you point out. You are not talking to a one-eyed football mentality person. Hamas (Being right wing fascists like Likud) should have known the consequences of Oct 7 well in advance but they naively thought they could rally Arab neighbours to battle like in the past.

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Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

Hamas hijack aid and are complaining now that IDF wants to control the distribution to prevent this.

If the Israeli’s had shown an ounce of good faith actions throughout this whole horrible period, then maybe this demand wpuld be less critically read.

But as it stands they havr constricted supply of food, electricity and everything else as mush as they can, restricted the water supply to, i think, one desal plant, don’t let journalists (even yarget them) in for a less bias appraisal of whats going on, continually attack the UN and International court for their calls for investigations, attack medical workers, as well as killing, through, bombs or other means, the Palestinians en-masse no matter their gender, age, or relation to their ao called enemy Hamas.

Multiple internal syrveys of Israeli public opinion paint a putrid picture of the overall societies vision for the ongoing survival of the Palestinian people.

And so, after all of this, the international community is supposed to trust the Israelis will act in good faith and fair dealing in their distribution of aid and resources?

I think not.

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- sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  Luckily the distribution seems to be going well though. That is a good thing, yes?
  
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  - BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    
    Newsweek article citing a daily wire clip
    
    It’s nested right wing tabloid dross
    
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  - Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    No, what Israel and The US are doing is catastrophically bad. It is eaxctly what my comment warned against.
    
    Israel cannot be trusted to deliver anything for the Palestinians in good faith. What happens as soon as the world’s eyes shift.
    
    The Israeli’s cannot be trusted to be fair minded on this issue for the same reason victims of rape cannot be allowed to name the sentence of their rapist. An impartial party that can as genuinely as possible guarantee the actual aid delivery in the amounts needed.
    
    I think that video is shot like its a PR stunt, but it doesn’t even matter if its real, fake, a PR stunt, or the sign of a genuine change. There can be no genuine assurances while the Israelis and the US allies control the aid flow, there is no impartiality, and every reason for them to use the aid to maximise their own benefit. Its grotesque that this needs to be explained.
    
    These quites are from your linked article, and summarise well the issue,
    
    Jens Laerke, spokesperson for the UN aid coordination office, OCHA: “It is a distraction from what is actually needed, which is a reopening of all the crossings into Gaza, a secure environment within Gaza and faster facilitation of permissions and final approvals of all the emergency supplies that we have just outside the border; [aid] needs to get in.”
    
    UNRWA Commissioner-General Philippe Lazzarini was equally blunt. “This new aid model is not only wasteful but a distraction from atrocities,” he told Reuters. The GHF system, Lazzarini argued, circumvents established humanitarian norms and risks using food as a weapon of population control.
    
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    sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    UNWRA was compromised so the imperial party angle has been abandoned.
    
    It requires military to keep Hamas from stealing the aid. It is not realistic to expect an outside neutral military to take on this task. UN could not keep Hezbollah in check in Lebanon.
    
    It seems Hamas are annoyed not just that they are being denied supplies for themselves and to sell to civilians but also because they need civilians to be starving to win the PR battle. Full stomachs will divert attention from the war so should we starve the people? Which is it? Allowing Hamas to hijack it isn’t going to happen so forget what the UN says (which is very vague).
    
    Regardless of what we argue here, the distribution will continue. It is just two days into it so let’s see if it going well. Of course for some ProPals it will not go well unless Jews vacate the Levant (an unrealistic fantasy regardless of whether one believes they should be there or not).
    
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Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
You’re not understanding. Theres a point when the crimes become so heinous that it doesn’t matter what justification they claim, the justification is sufficient. Israel has passed that point, a long time ago in my opinion.

October 7th was heinous and likewise Hamas’ crimes have no justification. That doesn’t somehow ameliorate or absolve the Israelis of the crimes they’re committing.

The difference between the two groups from an Australian perspective is, Israel is a so called liberal democratic nation and has been an erstwhile ally of Australia due to our percieved alignment in values.

What they are doing to Palestinians is so against these ideals that it must call into question our relationship with them.

In Hamas’ case Australia has next to no relationship with, so our reaction to their behaviour is more simple, as its a contnuation of our determinations of them as a group.

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- BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  
  October 7th was heinous and likewise Hamas’ crimes have no justification.
  
  Occupied people have a right to resistance
  
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  - Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    
    Occupied people have a right to resistance
    
    Absolutely, and the arguments demigrating Hamas never accounted for the fact they’re a key force fighting against the oppression.
    
    That is not what was done on October 7th, it doesn’t undermine the Palestinian cause for freedom, but that was shameful, and completely undermines their cause, as has been demonstrated by the insane response by the Israelis and the lack of care by a lot of people around the world.
    
    You know the people i’m sure, the “they brought it on themselves” crowd.
    
    European settlers exterminating indigenous people to take their land is about as inline with Australian ideals as it gets
    
    Australia has a terrible past, and we haven’t treated our first Australians in any way well, but there are a lot of us trying to reconcile the past and build a better future with what we have.
    
    We haven’t lived up to the ideals we aspire to in the past, but that doesn’t mean we discard them. It means we acknowledge our failures and begin to make amends where its possible.
    
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    BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    
    but that was shameful, and completely undermines their cause
    
    You realise that there is no form of militant resistance that Hamas could engage in that would not be framed like this? Because Israel and Israel friendly media do the framing.
    
    We haven’t lived up to the ideals we aspire to in the past
    
    Hypocrisy is when you judge yourself by your intentions, and others by their actions.
    
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