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From what I can tell, the average ABC worker is on the right side of this. But ABC management seems to have a direct line to the genocide supporters. And when the Israel lobbyists tell Kim Williams (or formerly Ita Buttrose) to jump, he (she) asks “how high?” We only need look at the Lattouf case or, less sensationally, Sandy Gutman, to see that.

That’s why what repeatedly happens is the right thing happens at first. Then management gets wind of it, usually because of DMs from lobbyists, and orders a reversal.

In this case, I think what probably happened is it got uploaded as normal. Because that’s what they do. Any vaguely interesting segment of television gets uploaded to their website and iView. Then the Israel lobby saw it, saw that he was calling out their genocide, and got on the like to Williams or Hugh Marks or someone else on the board or management, and they sent down the instruction to nix it.

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Ilandar@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Didn’t Media Watch report on this exact phenomenon earlier this year?

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- Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Maybe. I couldn’t find the report if it did, but that’s not a huge surprise given how hard this is to google for.
  
  I’d be extra interested if it happened under the current Media Watch host, who has ties to zionist organisations (he studied at Moriah College, a member of the zionist “Jewish Communal Appeal”), and started on Media Watch in February or March this year.
  
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  - Ilandar@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    It was under Besser, in just his second episode. They investigated the way ABC management handled criticism over Antoinette Lattouf’s social media comments, which I guess you’re already familiar with given you referenced this previously.
    
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    Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Oh nice, thanks. Just watched that segment and he really didn’t pull his punches.
    
    Yeah I was already familiar, from other news articles and from watching some of the case (the court case was broadcast on YouTube).
    
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sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

From what I can tell, the average ABC worker is on the right side of this.

The average worker is Left wing and therefore agrees with your and Hamas’ position. I am left but often disagree with them on the Gaza issues. In fact their dodgy reporting on Al Ahli hospital early lost them their credibility.

I have not seen any news organisation consistently report “fairly”. The only examplenof even handedness was a pair of entries from a blogger a couple.of months in (probably still valid - let me know if it has dated)…

…medium.com/israel-has-lost-the-war-d7b9b3934f73

…medium.com/hamas-has-lost-the-war-5bea9813fcf3

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- Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I think it’s very important to start from the place of acknowledging that nothing Hamas does or has done is relevant. Whether someone condemns Hamas or wholeheartedly supports them, or (as most people probably do) sit somewhere in between, really doesn’t matter. Because genocide is absolutely, totally, inexcusable. Even if Hamas were committing genocide themselves, that does not excuse Israel’s genocide. And the fact is that Hamas isn’t committing genocide. They literally could not if they wanted to. They haven’t the power necessary for it.
  
  Any organisation that is censoring people who accuse Israel of genocide, or who play whataboutism games by trying to ensure that condemnations of Israel are always followed by condemnations of Hamas, are abetting genocide.
  
  This meme summarises it nicely.
  
  A cartoon of a cat saying “It’s impossible to starve children to death in self defense”
  
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  - sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    That meme ignores Hamas hijacking aid.
    
    Hamas could just surrender.
    
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    IncongruousMonkey@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    ah yes “stop making me hit you, just do what I say! this is all your fault!”
    
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    Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Stop the whataboutism. Stop defending genocide. Nothing Hamas does or could do can defend genocide.
    
    But if you really want to play that game: everything Hamas does is also Israel’s fault. Israel created Hamas. They funded Hamas deliberately as a way to destabilise the Palestinians. They create oppressive conditions in which a militant organisation like Hamas is bound to thrive. Everything that Hamas does is a predictable outcome of Israel’s actions, and the ultimate blame lies squarely on them.
    
    But again, that’s irrelevant. Because even if Hamas’s own actions weren’t Israel’s fault, Israel’s actions obviously are. Murdering children, doctors, and journalists by the hundreds are classic fascist moves. Displacing people en mass from their homes is genocide. Collective punishment is a war crime. Deliberately starving people is a war crime. Stop defending genocide.
    
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- BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  You can’t be “left” when you’re pro-genocide
  
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  - sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    They aren’t very efficient with “genocide” are they? Bad shots you reckon?
    
    It is a terrible war without resorting to hyperbole. I understand it is for PR but surely we can be better than that on Lemmy?
    
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    IncongruousMonkey@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    The accepted definition of genocide isn’t what you think it is. It isn’t what I thought it was either, until I educated myself.
    
    I can’t see any way to argue that blocking food to a large population of civilians is NOT genocidal. It doesn’t require active military action to meet agreed UN criteria:
    
    www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition
    
    Article II
    
    In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
    
    Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
    
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    Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Oh damn. I thought you were a reasonable person with different views until this comment. It took you an impressively long time to come out with the explicit genocide denial.
    
    I’m surprised Beehaw of all places allows genocide denial, tbh.
    
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    BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Holocaust denier
    
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