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Comment on German court sends Volkswagen execs to prison over Dieselgate scandal

If only also the politicians that decided what the limits should be without any consideration for the real world would face the consequences…

Not that the VW guys did the right thing, but what other option they had ? Close down and go home ?

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Honytawk@feddit.nl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The real world consequences of keeping fossil fuel cars is much higher than banning all of them.

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mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I disagree. VW could have crashed their diesel production in favor of hybrids and EVs. They’re playing late to the game catch up now and may not survive at all. Putting off something you know is coming - the end of diesel vehicle prevalence - through deception YOU KNOW WILL RESULT IN MILLIONS OF VEHICLES CONTRIBUTING WORSE EMISSIONS BUT BEING REGARDED AS BETTER - that’s fucking heinous and criminal.

Oh maybe you have an extra biosphere we can slap on to the one being wrecked by CO2? No?

Anyone who knew the truth is complicit in that destruction and we’re only beginning to quantify the harm.

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- gian@lemmy.grys.it ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  I disagree.
  
  Fine, but aside the fact that everyone lied in this matter, why we should spare the ones that make an absurd law with no ties to the real world and only fueled by ideology ? I repeat, I don’t think that what VW did was right.
  
  VW could have crashed their diesel production in favor of hybrids and EVs.
  
  The hybrids maybe, but that not really solve the problem, even the first hybrids from Toyota had a 1.5 liter gasoline engine.
  For a full EVs we are just now at a point where they start to become usable. And the reason is that you need a whole infrastructure around the EV cars, just think about chargers, additional space there to put them, place where you cannot put them and so on.
  
  They’re playing late to the game catch up now and may not survive at all.
  
  I agree on that.
  
  Putting off something you know is coming - the end of diesel vehicle prevalence - through deception YOU KNOW WILL RESULT IN MILLIONS OF VEHICLES CONTRIBUTING WORSE EMISSIONS BUT BEING REGARDED AS BETTER - that’s fucking heinous and criminal.
  
  Well, from a technical point of view, the diesel engine is cleaner in some way and dirtier in other so I would say that the diesel is not better but also not worse. It only produce a different type of emissions.
  
  And, by the way, the emission’s limits for a diesel engine in the Euro-X normatives are always way lower then the ones for the gasoline.
  
  Oh maybe you have an extra biosphere we can slap on to the one being wrecked by CO2? No?
  
  Of course not. But on the other hand I am not stupid enough to adhere blindly to an ideology.
  
  Anyone who knew the truth is complicit in that destruction and we’re only beginning to quantify the harm.
  
  So the politicians are the first you need to jail.
  
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  - mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Of course not. But on the other hand I am not stupid enough to adhere blindly to an ideology.
    
    ah yes, the silly ideology of breathing.
    
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    gian@lemmy.grys.it ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    So how we can call what is behind the “ban this and that” mentality which is without any real study about the consequences and without any suggestion for alternatives ? Pre-intentional stupidity ?
    
    Look, I am fully aware that what VW (and everyone else) did was a crime and I agree that they must pay. On the oher hand I also fully understand that you cannot change the reality only because you write a law to change it, in this case all the Euro-x normatives about emission levels.
    
    Do you think that it is a silly idelogy to ask that also the people that make silly decision that they will not suffer are asked to pay for the consequences ? Fine, think this way.
    
    Do we really lost the concept that one can agree with something but also see what the problems of that thing are ?
    
    Yes, VW could have switched to hydrid or EV but not in the timeframe they are given.
    Not to consider that switching the entire production to hybrid and EV without the necessary infrastructure to use them in the real world is useless, you simply build cars that nobody will buy.
    
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