Comment on Fortnite returns to iPhone app store in US, ending exile imposed by Apple
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 10 months ago
I don’t understand why people think Apple should be forced to allow Fortnite back on their store. It’s like saying Amazon should be forced to sell a product by companies that try to rip them off and break all their rules constantly so they can sue them.
Epic aren’t a good company. Apple aren’t a good company. Neither of them however should be forced to allow products on their store that they don’t want to.
Apple should be forced to allow the owners of Apple devices to install whatever they want. But they’ve created an illegal, monopolistic, anti-competitive trust and they are abusing it to the full extent of their power.
Forcing Apple to allow things on the app store is a remedy for Apple’s wrongdoing the same way as forcing Jason Voorhees to give his victims bandaids would be a remedy. The wrongdoing should not be tolerated in the first place.
Question, would Apple be able to do that while still keeping their “being more secure than android” thing?
Question, is that how MacOS works?
So Apple should be forced to allow iPhone owners to install Win32 programs on their iPhones? PS5 games? So Sony should be forced to allow PS5 owners to install Switch games on their PS5s?
Do you see how dumb that is?
Yes, apple should allow that, and Sony should allow that. Your “gotcha” seems pretty stupid, because “allow” doesn’t mean “facilitate” - it’s not Apple’s responsibility to make those things work on their devices, but Apple is going out of their way to prevent individuals from making those things happen on their own.
Android users do not need an app store to install apps onto their devices. Apple not only requires it, but only offers their own storefront and if i remember correctly, they take about 30% of all sales. Companies used to get around that by redirecting customers to a website that doesn’t use the app store to make purchases. Apple then banned those apps from their store making them no longer available to iPhone users. This has nothing to do with allowing people to install incompatible applications on apple devices.
If you’re going to misinterpret the scope of “whatever they want” at least be creative about it. I think they meant they wanted to be able to install tractors on their iPhone. Bonus points if it made cool transformer noises.
Clearly they actually meant any iPhone program/app.
I didn’t misinterpret it. They replied saying yes they think all this should be allowed lol
Apple wouldn’t have to if they didn’t artificially prevent competitor app stores from being installed on iPhones. An app store is just software that tells the OS to install another piece of software. They are not complicated or hard to code, Apple just installs one with your phone and prevents any apps from being installed except through it, and then they refuse to host other app stores.
This is them using their market share in phones, to avoid competing fairly with third party software app stores like Steam.
They claim they have to install every thing through their app store for security reasons and there’s no possible other way to build it (horseshit), so rightfully then, to prevent them from illegally tieing two unrelated products together, they have to host Epic on the App Store.
And let me be frank. Your assertion that Epic is not a good company and Apple is not a good company, in the same breadth, is false equivalency horseshit.
Apple charges mafia 30% of all software REVENUE in addition to their other anti-competitive bullshit. They use their dominant platform position to be an absolute drag on the economy at large.
This is them using their market share in phones, to avoid competing fairly with third party software app stores like Steam.
Have you actually looked at the iPhones market share? They don’t have a monopoly, far from it - Android is the market leader in phone OS’s by a country mile.
And let me be frank. Your assertion that Epic is not a good company and Apple is not a good company, in the same breadth, is false equivalency horseshit.
Not at all. Epic have rules on what games can be hosted on the Epic Game Store too btw.
They use their dominant platform position to be an absolute drag on the economy at large
Apple don’t have a dominant platform position. They do not have a monopoly. They do not have to allow competitors to operate on their platform.
Your entire post is based on an incorrect premise.
57% US market share. This decision has no bearing on any other market, and to expand the view to the global market is disingenuous.
I can install Steam if Epic doesn’t allow a game I want on it, or install it directly from the developer. You don’t have that option with the iPhone.
They do not have to allow competitors to operate on their platform.
Yes, they do. Especially when that platform is synonymous with 57% of the hardware in use.
Your entire post is based on an incorrect premise.
Ironic.
I have maybe a handful of people on lemmy tagged, if that. That means, those where the most stupid, ignorant, obnoxious, disingenious people, or otherwise not worth of serious discourse, to the point i felt it necessary to remember that with a tag.
Now this guy i have put down as “that weird guy who really loves corporations”. Make of that what you want for your conversation.
57% US market share. This decision has no bearing on any other market, and to expand the view to the global market is disingenuous.
So well outside of monopoly territory. Thanks for checking :)
You don’t have that option with the iPhone.
And you’re not entitled to that option. It’s apples product and they don’t have to build ways for competitors to eat their lunch, nor should they. If you want a platform that allows you to install stuff from any source, get an android phone or one that does.
Yes, they do. Especially when that platform is synonymous with 57% of the hardware in use.
Why? 57% is far, FAR, below where anti-competition and anti-trust rules come in to play.
Ironic.
Says the guy who thinks 57% market share in a market with 2 players is a monopoly lol.
A valid point, the main issue at hand is that the iPhone is locked down to Apple’s approved store - you can’t just install things like a regular computer. That’s really the core of the lawsuit regarding the insane 30% cut Apple forces on their mobile computing platform.
drmoose@lemmy.world 10 months ago
This would only work in a perfect capitalism but that’s not our reality. Once a company acquires status that can control and drive the society the society has the right to correct for that.
Apple was too greedy to the point where courts have decided that their greed costs society more than society gains from Apple. There’s no philosophical binary formula here.