Comment on Trump says a 25% tariff "must be paid by Apple" on iPhones not made in the US, says he told Tim Cook long ago that iPhones sold in the US must be made in the US

tartarin@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• MasterBlaster@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It is authoritarian. Communist system devolve to authoritarianism because it is a natural progression (easy to do). Socialists can, but a good democratic political structure makes it harder.

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  • frog_brawler@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Apparently capitalist systems devolve into authoritarianism; as evidenced by living in 2025.

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    • Miaou@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      … Or as shown by the west for the past 150+ years

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      • MasterBlaster@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Are most people in “the west” worse off today than they were 150 years ago? Are there fewer well functioning democracies than there were then? Has no minority group seen any improvement in their freedom? Has there been no improvement in how people interact with each other? No improvement in poverty?

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    • MasterBlaster@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yes, of course. Capitalism is an economic framework. A good political framework is needed, just like i said for socialism. This is a failure of the U.S. political implementation not of capitalism as a system of commerce. I would never say capitalism is the answer to all social ills. Your statement feels like a way to say I am wrong, so if I misunderstood, sorry.

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  • 13igTyme@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Don’t tell all the tankies.

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• pogmommy@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  How in god’s name is this promoting worker ownership of Apple’s phone production processes?

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  • tartarin@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Last time I looked, the Soviet, Chinese and North Korean people didn’t own shit.

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    • frog_brawler@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You just named 3 countries that aren’t socialist. Nice job.

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      • tartarin@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Name just one where workers actually control something for fun.

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• frog_brawler@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • tartarin@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So, socialism doesn’t exist according to your definition since nowhere on this planet workers control shit.

    Ask former Soviet workers, Chinese workers, Cuban workers, North Korean workers and Vietnamese workers how much control on production they have.

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    • kayazere@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes you are correct in that real socialism was never implemented.

      Socialism is when workers control the means of production and the surplus generated from their work.

      When the government controls these things, like with communism, it’s state capitalism.

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      • tartarin@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Thanks, so the nearest thing to socialism is what Trump is doing, being elected by workers, trying to intervene into businesses using the government power to make them adopt his own views even if detrimental to the businesses themselves. Protectionism isn’t a right wing policy, it’s a left wing policy. Usually, the right wing is favorable to free markets and free trade and low level of government involvement into businesses.

        Frankly, the Republicans should be horrified by these policies and the direction this administration is heading to.

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    • frog_brawler@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sure thing Cap’n - first thing in the morning I’ll be going around knocking on doors to try to find Soviet, Chinese and Cuban workers to ask them about their opinions.

      Grow the fuck up, but read a book or two first.

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      • Zealousideal_Fox_900@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’ve been to cuba, most I talked to described it as a censorship filled shithole, but that’s over 10 years ago now anyway.

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