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I regularly advocate for banning phones from schools but people here in Lemmy (same on Reddit years ago) completely lose their shit with that idea, start talking how that’ll leave them defenseless in an emergency, how it is torture, how they absolutely can’t live without them

Not thirty years ago nobody had cellphones in school, they barely existed, and everything was fine, everyone was fine without and with cellphones I see so much shit going on. Yes, it’s the Future, kids need cellphones, but they also need to learn to be without cellphone, and they need to learn responsible use.

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WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
honestly a few years ago I didn’t agree with it, but now things are enshittifying so much that it really seems to be the better option now. it’ll unfortunately bar even those from using their phones who would use it for other things than mindless scrolling, using ai chatbots and playing microtransaction and ad filled games, but for the whole class and the whole generation it would be better in the end.

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- phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  To me the point is a simple question: why are you at school?
  
  Unless the class is explicitly to teach you how to use your phone responsibly, nobody should have a phone in school. Any arguments I’ve heard against that always boil down to “but I wannah doom scroohooollll” or some variation of that
  
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- Kyouki@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Which age were you when you didn’t agree and what age are you now? I also this changes drastically as a teen I wouldn’t see why it would be bad but nowadays I do (while also everything just got worse and worse, not to glory my time was any better)
  
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  - WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    Which age were you when you didn’t agree and what age are you now?
    
    yeah, that’s the reason I probably changed my mind, because it was not too long ago that I would fall under such a restriction, and I remember thinking about schools that do this that it is unfair, and wouldn’t have wanted to be in such a school.
    
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Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Outright banning them from schools is wrong imo, but if I had to put my phone in a locked box every class, I would’ve lived. I just think banning them outright is bad for needing to contact parents, especially for kids like me who had after school activities often.

My only issue I had with HS teachers were the ones who bitched about people having headphones/earbuds in during class. Obviously I don’t have them in during instruction or group work as that would be disrespectful, but if you’re not at the front of the room talking and we’re doing individual work, I want to have my earbuds in. I had a study block teacher who was so fucking anal about phones and earbuds, when it is literally a fucking break class to do whatever the fuck you want/need to do.

I just really like having music or background noise while doing work.

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- tamal3@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Many middle schoolers I work with have an ear bud in at all times, and as an ESL teacher my population of kids really needs to practice processing spoken English without that as a distraction. Hell, that applies to every kid… This isn’t an issue of somebody listening to music in the hallway or while studying, this is during class, during lecture, during group work, while writing essays, while reading…
  
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- Eggyhead@lemmings.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  My only issue I had with HS teachers were the ones who bitched about people having headphones/earbuds in during class. Obviously I don’t have them in during instruction or group work as that would be disrespectful, but if you’re not at the front of the room talking and we’re doing individual work, I want to have my earbuds in. I had a study block teacher who was so fucking anal about phones and earbuds, when it is literally a fucking break class to do whatever the fuck you want/need to do.
  
  I actually agree with this. If I have kids doing individual work in my class, I could care less if they’re using their phones or have headphones in as long as 1) they’re working, and 2) they’re willing to put it aside when I need their attention again.
  
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  - phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    who am I to judge?
    
    You’re the teacher?
    
    I know that kids may want / like to do something their way, but how about you learn it the normal way too? You can do your home work at home with music, I did that too, that’s fine, but in class you pay attention
    
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    Eggyhead@lemmings.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Again, if they’re doing individual work with headphones in, and they’re clearly being productive, I don’t see a problem with it. If they’re doing it while in trying to teach, that would be a problem.
    
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- Cocodapuf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  I just think banning them outright is bad for needing to contact parents, especially for kids like me who had after school activities often.
  
  Ok, well that’s completely ridiculous.
  
  Look, 25 years ago nobody had cell phones in school. Kids had just as many after school activities, this wasn’t a problem. It was sometimes inconvenient, but not a problem. It’s also worth remembering, many rooms in every high school have phones, you’ll be able to use one if you need to.
  
  I get wanting to have your phone throughout the day, I do. But on the other hand… no.
  
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  - Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    many rooms in every high school have phones
    
    You mean like landlines teachers had at their desks?
    
    I suppose that’s fair.
    
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  - Zexks@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Survivorship bias and privilege. We never had phones in our classrooms.
    
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    Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yes indeed. You should ask your parents about the aunts and uncles you would have had if only smartphones had been invented 2 decades earlier. I am sure they will have tons of stories to tell /s.
    
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- phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I’m kind of amazed with reading this, really.
  
  No, kids don’t need phones. Do you think that after school activities didn’t exist thirty years ago? They did and omg, nobody had cell phones so yeah, so ma y kids disappeared and died because of that and of course nothing like that happened because you plan that stuff ahead and worst case, a student can ask the teacher or some central ooi t where all cellphones are kept to make a quick important call.
  
  Same thing also goes for head sets. How the heck do you think we did that thirty years ago? Hint: we simply didn’t because it wasn’t a thing, it didn’t exist. Walkmans barely came into existence and you could wear one outside class, all fine, but I side classes you’re there to learn, not to listen to your favorite music or podcast or influencers.
  
  Id I’d have to allow headsets in class I’d refuse to teach. I’m not there to dick around or wsste my time, I’m there to teach and you’re there to learn, not to play or dick around
  
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Eggyhead@lemmings.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I worked in a school in Asia that actually banned students from bringing their phones to school. One year there was an earthquake in the morning that caused all the trains to stop for half a day while they checked the rails. We were all on our way to the school, got stranded, and some had to walk for hours to get back home. The school got a few calls from parents and the policy was changed the very next week. Now students can bring their phones, but they need to be turned in at the front office when they arrive.

One girl forgot to do it once, so she put her phone her locker. Another earthquake set off the warning alarm system and her phone went off in the hallway. Later that day I saw her getting lectured hard by the staff and the poor thing was in tears. She was actually a good student, so it was weird seeing her in that scenario.

Anyway, I wouldn’t mind the idea of students handing in phones at the front desk, but I was allowed to pack a cd player, a Nokia, and a variety of other devices around my school as a kid. I don’t really see smartphones as being much different, just so long as they are being responsible with them.

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mister_flibble@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I mean, I was in high school when the cell phones were largely flip phones and that one nokia brick that could probably survive being run over by a tank and at that point the rule was “nobody gives a shit if it’s in your pocket/in your bag and on silent, but if I see it or if it’s making loud disruptive noises from wherever you’ve got it it’s going in my desk until the bell rings”. That still seems a reasonable middle ground in my opinion. That way, it’s still accessible enough in the event of an actual emergency but not usable otherwise.

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- phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yeah, that was back when a single person had a cell phone it was a wow thing. Now everyone has it, and the addiction and doom scrolling is real. Kids will have a headset in during class.
  
  Nope, all of it, out. Leave it in your locker, store it at a single special place, whatever, but not in class
  
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Zexks@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
This is survivorship bias. Many weren’t fine but you don’t get to hear from them today.

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- Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Lol… yes my classmates died en masse.
  
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Cocodapuf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

but people here in Lemmy (same on Reddit years ago) completely lose their shit with that idea

I’ve never seen anyone over 19 who was opposed to this idea. It’s obviously the right move. Phones don’t belong in school.

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kevin2107@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Plenty of schools do that

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Gigasser@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I mean, you could probably solve this shit by restricting the types of phones used to dumb phones. Phones only capable of texting and calls. Perhaps some basic access to school websites and Wikipedia too. Everything else default blacklisted.

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- phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  That is just no phones with extra steps
  
  Just leave the damn thing in a special storage at the start of your school day, or in your locker. During lunch you pick it up, and when you leave you take it with you
  
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OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Phones totally need to be reeled in. Stop making a Do it all device. Self discipline and responsibility have been guard railed for years. This 100 percent.

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