Who could have predicted that constantly saying all men are trash could have negative impacts???
And to be clear in no way am excusing the behavior of people who respond in this fashion, but I can also understand how they ended up where they did.
I completely understand hating some people from any category of anything, but when you broadly blame ALL of a group you are absolutely going to alienate people who were either on your side or neutral. I think this is exactly what happened to a lot of guys. They were just sitting there minding. Their business and suddenly they are being told that they are inherently evil and shitty just because they are men. They hear it on the news and on social media. Pop culture takes a shit on them too once in awhile.
It doesn’t exactly take a rocket scientist to see how this could end up twisting around in the minds of some of them.
I don’t have the specific answers for how to combat this sort of stuff completely, but I think a good starting point would be to have more targeted criticisms as opposed to just going after an entire gender broadly. I think that has clearly done more damage for gender relations than it has helped anything so far.
Just my 2 cents as a guy who has seen some old friends who were once self proclaimed feminists now go full on into hating women. It’s sad to see.
Impassionata@lemmy.world 1 day ago
TheFriar@lemm.ee 1 day ago
All people with blue eyes are trash. All curly haired people are trash. All women are trash. All brown skinned people are trash.
See how fucking stupid that statement is? I thought those of us with a brain learned that generalizing is fucking stupid. The others are bigots. Because generalizing an entire group of people with one common trait is what bigots do.
Impassionata@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
TheFriar@lemm.ee 6 hours ago
It’s not about punching up or down. It’s about generalizations. It helps literally no one, and the group it helps the least is feminists. Have you noticed the huge uptick in the toxic “alpha male” influence in younger generations? It is a direct response to the absolute bungling of a good message: feminism.
When conversations become global or even national or regional, the dumbest take is what is easiest to spread. “All men are trash” is the idiot’s version of the much more nuanced point, “women have historically been held down and overlooked in our patriarchal society, and have suffered at the hands of men-at-large in an outsized and much more devastating way than men have ever suffered at women’s hands or at those of men-at-large.”
The most simplistic answer can always be explained with a more nuanced explanation, but the problem is it needs to be explained. When people say “men are garbage,” the more nuanced and complicated message behind the overly simplistic and eye-catching hyperbole isn’t what’s spreading. It’s the dumbed down version of the message. And when the dumbed down version is hurtful or unfair, you’re not getting people to agree with you.
So if what you care about is women, you’re doing a terrible job. Because spreading “men are garbage” is directly responsible for the popularity of people like Andrew Tate. Young boys don’t know the context, but they see messages like “men are garbage” repeated by seemingly respectable adults. What’s their response? To think, “hmm, I should look into the historical context of women suffering at the hands of the patriarchy!” No, they are immediately upset and defensive, and when that idiotic message seems like it’s systemic, they will flock to spaces where assholes are telling them, “No, women are worthless garbage who should be making you sandwiches, king!”
So unless you love Andrew Tate and his ilk, I’d stfu on that stupid shit, if I were you.
curiousaur@reddthat.com 1 day ago
Racist.
You must be a man.
mriormro@lemm.ee 1 day ago
No, I am not.
There is nothing inherent about how we live our lives or experience the world. The violence the more vulnerable class of folks experience is a direct result of just that: class inequality. You may as well believe in phrenology given the shit you’re spewing.
MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
What is the “inherent shittiness” that masculinity has that directly effects women painfully?
Impassionata@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip 9 hours ago
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Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Time for some class solidarity ?
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 23 hours ago
And here I was going to say “no one says ‘all men are trash’”, and yet here you are: A complete fucking idiot.