I feel like Janeway was justified if just due to the fact that the Equinox was a Starfleet crew that were breaking major Federation law. If any ship in the Delta Quadrant had the right to punish the crew of the Equinox, it was Voyager.
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Stamets@startrek.website 1 year agoBatshit? Sure. Going on a revenge mission that displaces thousands of people, changes the entire atmosphere of a planet, and forces your officers to commit warcrimes? Not really. Closest I can think of is:
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Janeway hunting down the Equinox. This is pretty close in comparison but the difference is that Janeway had a strong reason for pursuing the Equinox. The lifeforms were attacking the ship and the Equinox had taken both EMH and Seven of Nine. More over, she didn’t doom civilians to further strife. She punished the surviving officers and folded them into the crew of Voyager itself. On top of that, she had serious regret about her actions and showed remorse during the conversation with Chakotay.
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I know less about Enterprise but I remember Archer stealing the Warp Core of a crew and leaving them stranded in deep space. However that was an extreme ‘needs of the many’ situation so I’m on Archers side there.
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 year ago
Stamets@startrek.website 1 year ago
Oh it definitely factors into my overall opinion. I’ve always looked at Janeway at being the Captain who puts Starfleet above all else, typically, to a fault. That episode really shows the fault.
Nacktmull@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I remember Archer giving the order to “TARGET THEIR WARP CORE!!!” once in a battle. I don´t think I have ever heard another Starfleet Captain do that and was pretty shocked. Can´t remember what episode that was.
marcos@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The thing is, in Enterprise people were supposed to be savage mavericks. In DS9, they were supposed to be advanced.
Nacktmull@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That is indeed a very good point!
blargerer@kbin.social 1 year ago
Archer withheld a cure for an entire species because Phlox convinced him it was the natural course of things. (Valakians) Janeway goes back in time to get her ship home with more crew alive, altering history in who knows what ways for the entire galaxy.
Stamets@startrek.website 1 year ago
It was the natural course of things though. It’s a tough choice with no clear answer one way or the other. I wouldn’t call that one of Archers screw ups when there wasn’t a correct answer.
I have less of an answer for this one. It was pretty fucking brazen and bold on Janeways part. However I don’t classify ‘altering a future event you have no awareness of’ equal with ‘gassing the planet so you and your entire collective group of refugees have to go flee to yet another planet’.
Disgustoid@startrek.website 1 year ago
If we consider Sisko’s personal vendetta a bad thing that makes us question his authority to lead, I don’t understand how we excuse Janeway and the time travel stuff she pulled to get Voyager home–her actions had exponentially more butterfly effect consequences than Sisko could ever dream of.
Stamets@startrek.website 1 year ago
Because the Janeway we follow in Voyager didn’t go back in time. Admiral Janeway did.
People are shaped by their experiences and their choices. Admiral Janeway had many experiences and made many decisions that we know nothing about. It led to her becoming who she is but she wasn’t the main character of the show. The character we followed was Captain Janeway who was immediately opposed to the idea. Actively fought against it. She was eventually broken down but honestly by that point the damage had already been done. There was little that Captain Janeway could have done to prevent the Admiral from doing what she was doing.
Also Admiral Janeway effectively eliminated the Borg. I give her brownie points for that.
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 year ago
I hate that Enterprise episode because it is such an edge case for the Prime Directive, and humanity hasn’t even adopted it yet.
Even if the species didn’t develop warp drive, they have had contact with other species that did. This isn’t a pure, uncontaminated species that needs to be protected. Hell, I think that this species even contacts the Enterprise.
And this seems to be a trivial enough cure that this species is going to find another species to cure them. If Phlox can develop a cure in weeks on a spaceship, this seems to be trivial work for space faring civilizations.