Comment on Microsoft shuts down email account of International Criminal Court chief prosecutor

HowAbt2morrow@futurology.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Kind of appalling that the ICC isnt using self hosted email with proper E2EE.

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  • DV8@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If you think you can set up mail infrastructure with on premise everything that is available to your not on premise workers safer than Microsoft, you will be spending a huge amount of money to do so.

    It just turns out that the US has become a rogue state that alligns with the type of war criminals and dictators that the ICC wants to prosecute. I really don’t think anyone would have predicted this 10 to 15 years ago when this mail choice was made.

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    • nyan@lemmy.cafe ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If you think you can set up mail infrastructure with on premise everything that is available to your not on premise workers safer than Microsoft, you will be spending a huge amount of money to do so.

      Even if they prefer not to self-host, there are plenty of providers out there that are more trustworthy than Microsoft. In fact, I would say that a medium-sized established company that derives most of its revenue from providing email and related services is likely to secure them better than an oversized tech giant that just does email on the side—they have more incentive.

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      • Randomgal@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yes. But nobody gets fired for hiring Microsoft. (until now, I guess? XD) It’s really as simple as that.

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      • DV8@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I would agree that right now there are more choices. I don’t entirely agree they’re inherently safer. Nor that this choice would have been available as a choice when the original decision was made. (At a time when the US was at the very least considered to be an ally to Europe)

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    • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Literally every university here has on prem, externally accessible email service that has basically 100% uptime and works perfectly fine with pgp and stuff.

      But also Microsoft infrastructure is inherently insecure so thats a low bar to surpass.

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      • DV8@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If you think security of infrastructure has anything to do with PGP you’re misunderstanding what I mean. Self hosting mail for an organisation like the ICC would require multiple FTE’s. In the same vein that the current US administration is retaliating against them other rogue nations are constantly specifically targeting them. It’s already hard to deal with this without being specifically targeted and a couple times being targeted usually causes you to be compromised, dealing with it full time is almost impossible. Unless your team is monstrously big and securing your groupware is one of your core activities.

        I’ve literally had jobs like this, and the idea that the average university that self hosts is more secure than Exchange Online is just plain wrong. I’m sure you can point to a couple of them that are safer of course, but they 'll be the exception.

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    • demonsword@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I really don’t think anyone would have predicted this 10 to 15 years ago when this mail choice was made.

      the USA has been a war criminal country for at least a century now, maybe longer

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      • DV8@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Which is why I specifically phrased the part you didn’t quote in that specific way.

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    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It can’t have worse uptime.

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    • EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Hotmail was discontinued 10 to 15 years ago. They had to have got on Hotmail awhile before that.

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