Is anyone calling UK Labour centre-left? I would have thought theyd be sitting just inside the lower right quadrant of the political compass, they might have been centre left when Corbyn was the leader but that was a while ago and Starmer isn’t that kinda guy.
Zero22xx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
Wait, so in all these years that Europeans have been making fun of dumb Americans for having a two party system, and for having no real left wing options, the UK has been basically the same?
woelkchen@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Yes, that’s why Europeans make fun of both the UK and its former colony.
Lodespawn@aussie.zone 2 days ago
Kind of, its a little more complicated than that, I think its probably more accurate to say they have their own issues. The UK system is pretty different from the shitshow in the US.
They also use FPTP but have no electoral college and multiple parties including 4 major parties. So while there are multiple parties, in any given electorate you really need to vote for the party you hate the least that has a chance of winning. The two parties in an electorate that have a chance of winning varies across electorates and regions. They also have the House of Lords instead of a senate with members of House mostly being appointed (for life) rather than elected.
So … its own nonsense. Still seems less shithouse than the US system.
trolololol@lemmy.world 2 days ago
For life you say? Appointed? Sounds like someone already won in life and could retire at birth (owners class) then got punished by having to show up every once in a while to “make laws”.
Lodespawn@aussie.zone 2 days ago
I think they like the free money, the old money boys club and the chances to tell the poora whats best for them …
jamescrakemerani@feddit.uk 2 days ago
Lords in the UK get a tax free allowance of £323 for every day they actually turn up to work. But nothing actually forces them to show up.
godownloadacar@lemmy.cafe 23 hours ago
Yes. So is France.
But at least you can vote for a proper left wing party. The social democrats will whine at you but they can’t say you’re secretly voting for the right since they’re the one refusing a broad left coalition
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 days ago
We’ve been making fun of the UK too, you dummie
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Always has been.
ms_lane@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Australia too.
Lodespawn@aussie.zone 2 days ago
Australias Labor party is sits slightly progressive and slightly left of centre, the greens sits hard left/progressive, given we have more than 8 parties, 4 of which could be considered major parties with 2 of those in the left and none of the issues associated with FPTP and that electoral college nonsense I think Australia is doing alright in the scheme of things, especially compared with the US and UK.