It’s frustrating that we knew he was full of shit when he was saying it. And now the evidence is showing it is bullshit. And it’s like it doesn’t even matter.
Comment on X.com blocks access to Ekrem Imamoglu, leader of Turkish opposition
panathea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Free speech absolutism at work
danc4498@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Merva@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
They know they can do that sort of shit because they hold the power. They can blatantly and unconvincingly lie, their followers will regurgitate those lies, but neither of them really believe them. They are just posturing and having fun with words, just like fascists always have done.
Never believe that [fascists] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The [fascists] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
FippleStone@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
That’s a neat quote, what’s it from?
Ulrich@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
We knew it was bullshit about 3 days after he took over when he banned literally the 1 person he specifically said he was not going to ban.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 3 weeks ago
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
“full of shit” = “standing up for free speech against governments that are trying to censor political opponents” ?
CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
How is what you quoted “standing up” to anything? Am I missing something?
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 3 weeks ago
Am I missing something?
Clearly. Did you not look at the link that I posted? I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you might have taken the quoted text and the link as being the same thing, when they are 2 separate things.
The X link is a post from X Global Government Affairs regarding this Turkey censorship situation. Some of the text from it:
X received an order to restrict access in Türkiye to the account of the now-detained Mayor of Istanbul. While we have followed Türkiye’s order regarding the account, we strongly disagree with the order and are challenging the order in court. In the spirit of full transparency, we are sharing the court order and our legal filing below.
Ulrich@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
- How is censoring a politician “standing up for free speech”?
- “full oh shit” = not a “free speech absolutist”. “free speech absolutist” implies that you will not censor any speech no matter what.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 3 weeks ago
You don’t seem to understand how the legal system and governments work.
They issued a legal request to censor his account in Turkey. Failure to do so would result in severe consequences for X, such as having to take X offline for all of Turkey.
X complied with the law and are challenging the censorship request in court, the only place that has the power to overrule the government.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 3 weeks ago
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
Do you know how legal requests work?
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Fascist speech absolutism at work
madjo@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
To Der Elon that’s the same thing.