Comment on AI models routinely lie when honesty conflicts with their goals

• EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Actually no, “to lie” means to say something intentionally false.

  source

  • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    www.dictionary.com/browse/lie

    3 an inaccurate or untrue statement; falsehood: When I went to school, history books were full of lies, and I won’t teach lies to kids.

    source

    • EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      www.dictionary.com/browse/lie

      1 a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth.

      Your example also doesn’t support your definition.

      source

      • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        ALL the examples apply.

        source

        • -> View More Comments
• reksas@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I just think lying is wrong word to use here. Outputting false information would be better. Its kind of nitpicky but not really since choice of words affects how people perceive things. In this matter it shifts the blame from the company to their product and also makes it seem more capable than it is since when you think about something lying, it would also mean that something is intelligent enough to lie.

  source

  • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Outputting false information

    I understand what you mean, but technically that is lying, and I sort of disagree, because I think it’s easier for people to be aware of AI lying than “Outputting false information”.

    source

    • reksas@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well, I guess its just a little thing and doesn’t ultimately matter. But little things add up

      source
    • Vorticity@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think the disagreement here is semantics around the meaning of the word “lie”. The word “lie” commonly has an element of intent behind it. An LLM can’t be said to have intent. It isn’t conscious and, therefor, cannot have intent. The developers may have intent and may have adjusted the LLM to output false information on certain topics, but the LLM isn’t making any decision and has no intent.

      source

      • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        IMO parroting lies of others without critical thinking is also lies.

        For instance if you print lies in an article, the article is lying. But not only the article, if the article is in a paper, the paper is also lying.
        Even if the AI is merely a medium, then the medium is lying. No matter who made the lie originally.

        Then we can debate afterwards the seriousness and who made up the lie, but the lie remains a lie no-matter what or who repeats it.

        source