Comment on AI models routinely lie when honesty conflicts with their goals

reksas@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

• Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  It’s lying whether you do it knowingly or not.

  The difference is whether it’s intentional lying.
  Lying is saying a falsehood, that can be both accidental or intentional.
  The difference is in how bad we perceive it to be, but in this case, I don’t really see a purpose of that, because an AI lying makes it a bad AI no matter why it lies.

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  • reksas@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I just think lying is wrong word to use here. Outputting false information would be better. Its kind of nitpicky but not really since choice of words affects how people perceive things. In this matter it shifts the blame from the company to their product and also makes it seem more capable than it is since when you think about something lying, it would also mean that something is intelligent enough to lie.

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    • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Outputting false information

      I understand what you mean, but technically that is lying, and I sort of disagree, because I think it’s easier for people to be aware of AI lying than “Outputting false information”.

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      • Vorticity@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I think the disagreement here is semantics around the meaning of the word “lie”. The word “lie” commonly has an element of intent behind it. An LLM can’t be said to have intent. It isn’t conscious and, therefor, cannot have intent. The developers may have intent and may have adjusted the LLM to output false information on certain topics, but the LLM isn’t making any decision and has no intent.

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      • reksas@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Well, I guess its just a little thing and doesn’t ultimately matter. But little things add up

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  • EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Actually no, “to lie” means to say something intentionally false.

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    • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      www.dictionary.com/browse/lie

      3 an inaccurate or untrue statement; falsehood: When I went to school, history books were full of lies, and I won’t teach lies to kids.

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      • EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        www.dictionary.com/browse/lie

        1 a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth.

        Your example also doesn’t support your definition.

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