If you had a zoo would you continue bringing in animals if they had no space left to live comfortably?
I’d guarantee you would call that inhumane, you wouldnt say they were being intolerant of the new animals if they did not.
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MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks agosaying immigration needs to be lower due to a housing crisis will be called hate speech
Yeah, that’s kinda hateful. True, it really would make things easier for EU citizens if less people were using the limited housing. But it would make things harder for the immigrants. Putting citizens over immigrants is… xenophobia.
Why waste the government’s time solving the problem at poor people’s expense, when the government could instead tax rich people more to pay for housing?
toastmeister@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
People aren’t zoo animals.
toastmeister@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
So cram them into substandard housing because they deserve less rights than animals?
MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
And you think telling immigrants they’re not allowed to enter the country gives them more rights?
calcopiritus@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Putting citizens over non-citizens is called being a government.
Xenophobia is the irrational fear of foreign. And fear in this context usually shows up in the form of hate.
Putting citizens first does not mean hating the rest. Being a citizen of a country means that your government should represent you and your interests. It’s only natural that it develops into benefits for citizens.
Xenophobia on a person level is when you see a person that you think is not part of your same origin, do you cross the street, or attack him or whatever. Of course this is not even close to being an exhaustive list.
Xenophobia on a country level is when you punish foreigners irrationally. Not letting foreigners into your country because you have a housing crisis is not irrational, it is a valid reason.
I find it hard to find examples of country-level xenophobia. Even if the act itself may seem xenophobic, the government may want to gain popular support of their xenophobic population, which would be a reason and thus non-xenophonic.
Of course, not being xenophobic does not mean it is good. For example Israel genociding Palestinians is horrible. But their reason is that having a neighbor that claims the same land as you do is problematic, and they figured if they just kill everyone the world will forget in 100-200 years (or less) while the land will be theirs for longer than that with no revels, since they genocided them. Of course, having a reason does not mean that it’s not many other bad things (in this case, genocidal, which is worse than xenophobic).
MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
I’m interested in everyone’s wellbeing. Also, the government should represent its citizens’ moral interests. It should teach them kindness by being an example.
Not valid. It’s discrimination.
calcopiritus@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The results of an action being done for a reason being discriminatory does not make the reason invalid.
Almost any policy is discriminatory.
Taxing the rich more is discriminatory against the rich. Helping women out is discriminatory against the men. Ending segregation is discriminatory against people that don’t want be near people different to them. The list is endless.
I assume you agree with all 3 of those policies. Yet they are discriminatory. Those 3 policies are done because of very valid reasons.
There are very few policies that I’d say are not desceiminatory. Like universal basic income or universal healthcare. And even then, by your definition of discriminatory, those would be discriminatory. Since they would still discriminate against non-citizens.
There is no world where a person born in X country that has never left X country to receive income from a UBI policy of Y country. Unless X and Y countries have some sort of deal where that happens.
MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
I don’t think that’s why we’re having this conversation. Seems like you’re talking about technicalities and I’m talking about values. I don’t think we can have a conversation like this.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You would fit in nicely in israel
calcopiritus@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
No I won’t. Just like arguing a murder is not illegal grafitti, doesn’t make you pro-murder. Arguing that a specific genocide is not xenophobia does not make me pro-genocide. I absolutely hate what Israel is doing to the Palestinians and I believe that someone should assassinate Netanyahu and all of his pro-genocide people on power of the Israeli government. Or imprison them for life.
But you can miss my point all you want.
bufalo1973@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
The housing crisis is not because there are immigrants. It’s because the vulture funds are buying everything they can to profit from it.
calcopiritus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s whataboutism.
There are many factors for the housing crisis.
That doesn’t mean that you can only solve one of the factors.