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Comment on Oblivion remake is... really making it apparent how outdated Bethesda is in its approach to making games

scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

Man the negativity. I’m so sick of gamers negativity. It’s not even a new game, it’s a remaster. you knew what the product was going to be. It’s oblivion. We all knew it was oblivion. If you don’t like oblivion, why did you buy it?!

I swear to God if they changed it too much I’d be commenting here on a post about how they had no respect for the original. Then we wonder why “they never listen to gamers”. Because we bitch and moan about everything.

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overload@sopuli.xyz ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
100% agree. Pleasing Gamers™ is a Kafka trap.

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Donebrach@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Just musing on the fact that Bethesda doesn’t care about making games and instead just cashes in on nostalgia. I also think their finance bros realized their upcoming big IP drop is going to be an objective POS and wanted to prime people’s expectations by re-releasing a 20 year old game with some lipstick on it.

It would be neat if they hired some people who actually had innovative ideas about gameplay, visuals and stories to maybe make a neat new game within an existing or new IP, but they haven’t done that in literal decades so I think its pretty reasonable to not be incredibly excited about anything they are putting out or planning to put out in the future.

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- torrentialgrain@lemm.ee ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Imagine if capital G Gamers actually enjoyed playing games instead of nonstop bitching on online forums.
  
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  - Donebrach@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    the internet would fall silent.
    
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  - prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    As someone with no kids and a work/life balance that allows him to enjoy video games, I wonder how much of this vitriol comes from bitter millennials who are mad at the world because they don’t have time to play games anymore.
    
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    peregrin5@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Nah. The millennials would need enough time to play and beat the game and then come on online forums to bitch. We don’t have that time.
    
    This is nearly always Zoomers and teenagers.
    
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- killeronthecorner@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  As a long time Bethesda game fan I agree with you on almost everything you’ve said about Bethesda… But the remaster is a terrible example of your points.
  
  The remaster does exactly what it says on the tin and they’ve been very upfront about how it was made and why it was made in the launch video.
  
  It’s hard to criticise them for cashing in on nostalgia when they’ve shown time and time again with Skyrim re-releases that do a fraction of what the Oblivion remaster does still selling like hot cakes.
  
  Nostalgia is at the core of their business model. That’s why they march Skyrim’s corpse out every two years like clockwork; that’s why they picked Fallout for a new franchise after ES; that’s, frankly, likely why Starfield sucks so much.
  
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halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
It’s not even much of a remaster. They just slapped a coat of paint on it.

The Gamebryo/Creation Engine is still there running the game, it just uses Unreal 5 for the graphical elements. And they updated some of the levelling to work more like Skyrim, because the Oblivion system sucked in comparison.

It’s still the same 20 year old Oblivion under the hood.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but calling it a remaster is a bit disingenuous.

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- psx_crab@lemmy.zip ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  What do you think “remaster” actually mean?
  
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  - halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    More than a coat of paint. The modding community could have done this year ago if that’s all they wanted to do. Skyblivion is more of a remaster than this official one.
    
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    psx_crab@lemmy.zip ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Emm, no. If you build something from the ground up it’s called remake.(Demon Souls, the Resident Evil series) Remastered is taking the old game and put on a fresh paint of coat and give it some modern QOL so it’s much more accessible today.
    
    Skyblivion is closer to remake than remaster.
    
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- ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  That’s literally what remaster are, a new coat of paint
  
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- scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  They literally had a hour long stream explaining what they did, and then you could have watched any of the thousands of twitch streams showing it. There was zero reason that you should have bought this if you thought this. I knew exactly what I was buying, seems like pretty much everyone did.
  
  You are describing a remake. A remaster is a fresh coat of paint. Todd Howard said verbatim “This is not a remake” and then talked about his reasons why. You’re going on like they lied to you when they literally said everything you just complained about, and then you still bought it.
  
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- Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  And they updated some of the levelling to work more like Skyrim, because the Oblivion system sucked in comparison
  
  Updated how exactly? Oblivion and Skyrim both have pretty serious flaws. I believe there are popular mods to fix the Oblivion system in a way that still feels like Oblivion, though it’s been a long time since I’ve read in to any of it.
  
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