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DarkMetatron@feddit.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

“We can build our utopia, we just have to kill everyone who doesn’t agree with us” doesn’t sound very right in my ears. It sounds like something where one should ask “are we the baddies?”

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MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Learn nuance. They’re speaking to the Paradox of Tolerance, not calling for a blind genocide…

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- DarkMetatron@feddit.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Murder is never a valid solution to the Paradox of Tolerance.
  
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  - MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    History proves that naive view … very naive. Should the US never joined in the war? Should the Poles and French simply rolled over to the Nazis? You seem to be saying yes, which is simply pathetic beyond ignorance.
    
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    DarkMetatron@feddit.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    No, I did not say that. And it says a lot that I am called pathetic for taking the position of the voice of reason.
    
    But I will end this communication with you now, have a nice day
    
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  - Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    says the limp-wristed pacifist. when your head is under their boot, i will not pity you.
    
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Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
one of these days, maybe, you’ll come to realize that there is no objective morality. there is only the winners that decide how everyone else will live. we all get a choice in who those people are.

i choose to live in a world where rational thought dedicated to furthering humanity and ending suffering reigns supreme. the benefits of that world far outweigh the losses that one generation would have to suffer to achieve it. it’s just a simple trolley problem. if you can’t see that, then you are blinded by emotions.

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- Empricorn@feddit.nl ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  there is no objective morality
  
  Objectively false. People in completely different societies (indigenous, uncontacted, etc) have shown that they don’t kill people consequence-free or separated from morality.
  
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  - Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    even if we all agreed on one thing (which we don’t), it’s still nothing more than a human idea. morality is a concept. it does not exist. THERE IS NO OBJECTIVE MORALITY.
    
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  - MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Wrong. Completely wrong. Look up “honor killings”. Then learn that it is legal and condoned in some places.
    
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- DarkMetatron@feddit.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Oh yes, I am sure that the Nazis back then said the same about cleansing the german nation, the benefits for the Volkskörper outweigh the losses that one generation would have to suffer.
  
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  - Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    and had i been alive back then, i would have been calling for the extermination of those nazis before they could do the damage they did.
    
    we’re all humans and it’s always been a war. one day you might realize that you have to pick a side.
    
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    DarkMetatron@feddit.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You can’t use the tools and methods of the enemy without becoming the enemy. Trying to build a free society by use of oppression and mass murder is something that is doomed to fail and to turn into the thing it has sworn to fight. One day you might by able to comprehend that.
    
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