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sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days agoSelf hosted relays do exist, they’re just not open to the public (mostly used for archival / development currently)
Blorgbob exists, and people use their own blorgbobs, but also people are not allowed to use blorgbobs, and they are only in archives or experimental development.
… Please tell me you understand you have just said completely self contradictory nonsense.
Leaving the actual truth or falsity of your claim aside… what you have just stated is a logically impossible paradox.
Natanael@infosec.pub 3 days ago
Choosing to not understand the architecture is your failure, not mine
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
Ok, noted, you are a fanatic who does not understand that the statement of yours I replied to literally is a logically impossible paradox.
Take a few deep breaths and … maybe try to reformulate your words.
Natanael@infosec.pub 3 days ago
Not knowing what a relay does and going on the attack over it makes you the fanatic.
It’s an archive node, which can (but doesn’t have to) forward ingested data
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
It is very, very clear, reading your other comments that you are incapable of grasping the concept of a decentralized or distributed network paradigm.
Maybe go look at how torrents work, how I2P works, how a MeshNet works.
Other metaphors would be a guerilla warfare network of cells vs a top down conventional hierarchy where individual units are allowed a degree of autonomy within certain bounds.
The AT Protocol system is not capable of operating in a non centralized manner.
Your only option is to point your PDS at either the official network of Relays… or set up your own system of Relays, and point your PDS at that.
Likewise for an AppView, you can either point yours to sync with the official network of Relays… or another network of Relays.
There is no meshing, where nodes on the mesh control what other nodes they interface with… there is only branching or forking, setting up an entirely parellel structure, that is not capable of synchronizing with the original.
Beyond that, you still have not addressed that you said a blatantly self contradicting statement; that people self host relays, but also they don’t self host relays because that is costly and the self hosted relay code available to the public is experimental and mainly used for reasons tangential to the core function of a production ready relay.
And for the I think third time I have asked this, not of you personally, but in this thread:
Who is hosting a Relay other than BlueSky?
Can you provide evidence any independent person has figured out how to do this and is actually doing it?
I would gladly accept new information and adjust my own understanding accordingly, but all I have seen in this thread so far is multiple people claiming that there are self hosted Relays, and then either providing no evidencd, or showing that they don’t understand the subject and post a link to a guide to, or example of, somehow setting up an AppView or PDS.