Comment on Are there any Lemmy/Mbin instances by women for women?

• sunflowercowboy@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • tfm@europe.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I haven’t written anything about excluding other genders. It’s only about a women centric place with additional moderation protection and administration and moderation by women (and yes, these can also be trans women or even men admins and mods if the group decides so).

    But why excluding men or anybody else from participating, as long as they stay on topic?

    Division is made when you divide the people.

    Having a space for women by women isn’t division. It’s about creating a safe space.

    Just in general already against the massive structural issues with Lemmy

    What structural issues?

    It is a group of people who like to constantly divide

    Isn’t this normal human behavior? Still doesn’t mean that people are enemies because of splitting into different groups.

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• pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Oh, read the title.

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  • tfm@europe.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Are there any Lemmy/Mbin instances by women for women?”

    Where is the division?

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    • frog_brawler@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Where’s the division? It starts and ends with the “…for women” part.

      By women, sure that’s not divisive at all but if something is being set up specifically for one gender it’s inherently divisive.

      Don’t get me wrong, I understand why women would want it, but at the same time describing it as non-divisive doesn’t work.

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      • tfm@europe.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Ah give me a break. Can’t there be something that is designed specifically for women without you feeling excluded? Nobody says that you aren’t allowed to participate.

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    • pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      by women for women lol just change it for other noun by white people for white people You see the problem here?

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      • ameancow@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Okay now lets change it again.

        “Are there any Lemmy communities FOR rape survivors and by rape survivors?”

        And someone says “Well why do you want to create division? Shouldn’t rapists also have a chance to share their side?”

        I’m not saying this is a realistic “turn the tables” but neither is yours. I will explain why.

        Right now, despite whatever stupid fucking propaganda a select few assholes are hung up on, there are no systemic attacks happening on white people just for being white. At least none of any value or meaning. No, fringe groups don’t count because they don’t have power and never will have power in this system. However there ARE in fact many white-nationalist groups that ARE gaining power and voice, and attempting to return to an old hegemonic ideal of race. This isn’t a “that’s not fair!” issue, this is an issue about our very future as a diverse species sharing a world together.

        I don’t think there should be ANY exclusionary spaces, but I do think there should be well-moderated spaces for people of similar ideas or demographics to share thoughts without being attacked for their identity. There should be spaces where people know they will be ejected for trying to sabotage the conversations.

        Division and segregation hurts all of us, and if we want to fight it, we have to fight the fuckers who drive people to want to escape, we have to fight the trolls and monsters and bullies and nazis who make people feel afraid. Those are the ones trying to divide us, and those are the ones we shouldn’t be giving voice to.

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      • tfm@europe.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Sounds racist. You see the problem?

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