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Rin@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

It’s not that they want money, Nintendo is mainly anticonsumerist, but they’re also a terrible, evil company. Here’s a couple examples why i think so off the top of my head:

Locked down hardware. Well, at least they try to lock it down as much as possible.
Insane prices for hardware and games. (50 quid for base Animal Crossing fucked me off when I realised that the DLC costs 50 quid fucking more, i returned my Switch).
Shitty customer service (look up joy con drift)
Lawsuits left and right:
- DMCA to strike down FOSS emulators because they included a 16 byte decryption key that’s literally public knowledge at this point. Funnily enough, they use a similar FOSS emulator in their own products.
- Sued the small company that owns Pal World because they included some of their “patents”. We all know that’s bullshit.
- Sued a journalist for writing for a blog about piracy and fucked his life despite him having no involvement in any of the development. (he was forced to take a deal to avoid them making things worse.)
- Sued a guy who did in fact enable piracy. That’s fair. Taking 30% of his income for the rest of his life is fucking evil.
- Fucked over streamers playing the game on release day because they were in an earlier timezome than japan…
- Fucked over creators playing their games with an emulator.
- Fucked over creators on all platforms in general for literally no reason.
- Took down many MANY fan projects because they could.
They got mad at event organisers and pulled out last minute because the organisers used a mod to allow internet multiplayer, which caused the official Smash tourney to be cancelled during covid…

meanwhile Valve:

makes the hardware as open as possible:
- also literally wrote proton
- also feel free to use any input device to play games
- also your game console is a fully functional computer you can do whatever the fuck you want with.
- also, your screen broke? Here, let me help you fix it.
charges reasonable amounts:
- 30% from the developer is industry standard
- has frequent sales
- orange box costs like a quid on sale and the lastest halflife costs about 20 on sale.
you can “return” games if you don’t like them.
first class customer service.
got a guy arrested for hacking and leaking their source code, which is fair.
allows and enourages modding.
massive supporter and contributor of tournaments of their games
allows the use of their IPs in transformative ways (3rd party games, sfm, etc).

but yeah. They’re clealy the same thing. no differences whatsoever.

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BussyCat@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
By evil company standards that’s pretty benign

Like Hershey uses slave labor, Chiquita helped transport weapons for paramilitary groups, nestle well we have all heard about what nestle does.

Just about everything you listed that they do can be summed up as they vehemently protect their IP that while they are overkill they just aren’t even close to other video game companies like blizzard who protect sexual harassers

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- Rin@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  you’re right about other companies being worse, but that doesn’t make it ok for nintendo to do what it’s doing. They 100% deserve the hate that they get, which was my point really.
  
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  - ysjet@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Thje problem is more that they tend to get WAY MORE hate for way less stuff.
    
    Like, blizzard literally had a woman commit suicide because she thought she was going to be used as a sex slave. Yet Nintendo gets more shit than blizzard does, because Nintendo doesn’t want you pirating their games.
    
    Like, bruh, priorities. I know it’s not a zero sum game, but god damn.
    
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    Rin@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I don’t think blizzard gets as much hate as it should but I think the reason is simple. :/
    
    i want you to consider that fact that blizzard is a 30 billion dollar company meanwhile nintendo is closer to a 2.5 trillion dollar company. There’s going to be a lot more eyes at nintendo than blizzard which will bring more hate to it specifically :/
    
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kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

also literally wrote proton

It’s getting weird how often I find myself saying this… But Valve mostly took already existing software and built a wrapper around it, integrated into their platform. I love what they did, but the credit for literally writing it goes to all the people who spent years building wine and related software.

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- Rin@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  since 2016, valve has been paying for wine development. They didn’t just nab it.
  
  Also, calling proton a wrapper is a bit ingenuous. Proton is basically wine with upstream patches that wine will not accept. It’s not a wrapper for wine and related software.
  
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  - kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I’m pretty sure it is a wrapper in the way it looks up game-specific information to apply specific tweaks to how the game is ran and how the prefix is set up… But it is also true that it does also include a modified version of wine, so the terminology is difficult to pin down.
    
    That said, I don’t mean it in a disingenuous way, at least I don’t think it is such. I do believe valve is often attributed excessive credit for proton’s creation, but I don’t think they did anything wrong, much less “just nab it”. Open-source is open-source, and I’d imagine people who put work towards making wine viable are happy that Valve brought it to the mainstream.
    
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