Imitators have been doing that since always, long before LLMs
Fill me in a bit. Are you under the impression that artists are particularly okay with/enjoy people imitating their art style?
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 4 weeks ago
Cool, another preachy argument that jumps to irrational conclusions. Because Ghibli?
It is a display of power: You as an artist, an animator, an illustrator, a writer, any creative person are powerless. We will take what we want and do what we want. Because we can.
Uh…we always could & did. Imitators have been doing that since always, long before LLMs. No one owns an art style.
This is the idea of might makes right. The banner that every totalitarian and fascist government rallied under.
Plagiarism & imitating art styles is fascism! Wow!
Please make the word fascism more meaningless.
JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 4 weeks ago
As an artist, when people imitate me, I take it as flattery.
When a machine imitates me, I take it as an insult to life itself.
Jsegfeh@lemmynsfw.com 4 weeks ago
This is an absolutely rational take.
Individual, noncommercial imitation is flattery.
LLM ripoff is exactly that.
JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I take it as flattery
I respect your position, and I appreciate people who are willing to share their creativity in an inspiring way like that.
However, others don’t see it as flattery. Particularly in eastern cultures, it is seen as mockery or plagiarism. You can choose to disagree about why they don’t want you to imitate their style, but you should always respect the request.
LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 4 weeks ago
If eastern cultures don’t like imitation, why are there a million identical isekai light novels with an average joe who dies, reincarnates in a slightly altered Dungeons and Dragons world, and gets a harem of women with huge breasts whose personalities are taken straight from TVtropes?
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 4 weeks ago
When a machine imitates me, I take it as an insult to life itself.
I might be flattered that someone bothered to make a machine do that. Massaging software to do that also takes skill?
When GitHub Copilot lifts my opensource code, I’m not offended. I only cringe a bit when it’s bad code I regret committing.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 4 weeks ago
Are we pretending this is new & their opinion matters in some new way it hasn’t before?
There might be an argument to demand licensing royalties. Is that too capitalist? Maybe it’s fine if we work that into the word fascism somehow, wear it out a bit more to hit that sweet spot. Ooh.
JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
No. We’re acting as if their opinion always mattered just as much as it does now.
While your style is not, can not, and should not be your intellectual property, you should have the right to say “I don’t want you to imitate my exact style” and people should respect that.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 4 weeks ago
We’re acting as if their opinion always mattered just as much as it does now.
So not at all: gotcha.
you should have the right to say “I don’t want you to imitate my exact style”
You do.
people should respect that
“That’s just like your opinion, man.” meme goes here.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
[deleted]lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 4 weeks ago
If people only did what they should, then many acceptable actions would not get done. Art & leisure or posting here are optional: there’s no should there. It is a fallacy of modal logic to claim an action that is not one that should be done is an action that should not be done.
There’s no reason you should post here, yet you did. Does that mean you’re “devoid of any morals” & “lack the integrity expected of a contributing adult”?
Imitation & derivative works hardly rise to anything worth fussing over & losing total perspective. If you pay attention, all human creativity is derivative, nothing is truly original. Works build on & reference each other. Techniques get refined. It’s why we have genres. From the Epic of Gilgamesh & ancient mythology to modern storytelling, or the development of perspective in graphical works across time, there’s a clear process of imitation & development across all of it.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
[deleted]lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 4 weeks ago
Well, you’re wrong.
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people with accessibility needs can’t read thisAnd you’re ableist for that. Good job.
drmoose@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Exactly this is so frustrating that people fall in for copyright propaganda just because “big tech is bad”.
Ghibli doesn’t own a style. It has sbeen made by thousands of animators and millions of illustrations and influences before them.
This is not the way to get back at big tech.