At some point you are just going to have to be “antisemetic.” There needs to be a cultural shift around the world for allowing the criticism of jews before you can criticize Israel.
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LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 3 weeks agoThe entire country is sick. The ones in power need to be held accountable and the population as a whole needs a “Denazification”. Something that will require generations of reeducation to undue the fascist ethnostate that has indoctrinated children from birth.
Separating this Fascist state from Jewish identity is one of the most important things to do as well. One of the most antisemitic things being done today is when Israel commits genocide and pretends it is doing it for Jews. It is disgusting.
yeather@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Allowing Zionist to redefine the word and just “becoming anti semitic” is a really bad take. Maybe I’m missing the intent of your comment. I’ll be good faith and assume you just wrote this badly.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Israel would love nothing more than people conflating all Jews with Zionists.
Zionism is its own term and while it is mostly compromised of Jews, there are also Christians and Joe Bidens and Justin Trudeaus.
LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
By pure numbers it is mostly compromised of evangelical Christians. There are significantly more evangelical Christians that are Zionist than there are Jews.
index@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
population as a whole needs a “Denazification”.
This doesn’t really sound like a good preamble. How many people from israel do you know? Have you been there? I hope you are not assuming they are all evil because they are ruled by psychopaths like any other country in the world
LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Do you think that Nazi Germany didn’t need Denazification?
The population of Israel is heavily in support of a return to Genocide in Gaza. The vast majority that aren’t are only against it because the hostages are still there.
reuters.com/…/israelis-say-hamas-must-be-crushed-…
Only 10% of Israelis believed the IDF was using “too much firepower” in December of 2023. The time in which Israel was bombing heavily and dropping white phosphorus on civilian areas.
There was a large protest in Israel not “against rape” but against the potential conviction of an IDF soldier who had raped and killed a Palestinian ON VIDEO. This led to a large protest that overan the detention center. The Israeli people literally protested to protect a rapist. Oh and the rapist is now a media personality in Israel.
mondoweiss.net/…/the-main-suspect-in-the-sde-teim…
This is not a population that is victim to it’s rulers. This is a population that largely supports the genocide of Palestinians.
index@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
What’s your definition of denazification to begin with?
Trump got elected democratically in usa but there’s millions of good americans out there
LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
I would say the major difference between the genocidal actions of the American state and the Israeli state is that the citizens of the US are largely distanced from it. Both in terms of media but also more importantly geographically. Because of this the Israeli state not only has to manufacture consent for passive acceptance but actively manufacturer concent for the war crimes that every citizen can hear every night in Gaza.
This leads to a much more sick society in terms of dehumanizing Palestinians.
You seem to think I’m looking at this from some “good vs. bad” dynamic. I am not. I am only looking at the degree to which the state has manufactured concent in the population and that degree is to such an extreme in the Israeli society. It exists in America as well. But is primarily done through distractions, through their “toys”. Israel is different in this way. The population is not just (on average) distracted and xenophobic; they have reached a degree of dehumanizing Palestinians that will poison it’s population for generations.
Also, the comparison between voting for Trump and Israel is just not reasonable at all. Trump is not a genocide that you can hear happening as bombs are dropped every night. The material circumstances are just not comparable. I’m not saying Trump and his actions will not hurt people. Again, I’m talking about the degree to which concent needs to be manufactured. And most Americans won’t notice until someone in their family gets sent to a camp.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Religion needs to be banned…globally. Humans must never again be allowed to be infected by memetic viruses, by ideas that are not scientifically supported.
LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
I’m gonna give the unpopular take online and say that religion is not the source. Religion is only a tool that is often used negatively within class struggle. The source of Israel today is so much more ingrained in white supremacy, colonialism, and class conflict that I just can’t say that “banning” religion would be at all helpful.
The religion and hope of the Palestine people is a core part of their resistance and their struggle. And while I’ll always be against fundamentalist interpretation of religion in the hands of the ruling class; I just think a focus on religion as being the ultimate problem is incorrect and unhelpful.
iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 3 weeks ago
I don’t think banning is a good answer. My own preferred solution is mandatory religious education. Once you learn about all of the religions of the world the idea that any of them could possibly be correct about either the nature of reality or deciding what is right becomes clearly absurd.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Or you know, you realize the source of your beliefs is incomgruent, and you don’t really know what you believe in.
You are supposed to have a clear set of guiding principles from a given all-knowing God, otherwise he is just cruel, and not worth worshipping.
iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 3 weeks ago
A set of guiding principles from and all-knowing God is not what religion is. Maybe it’s what Abrahamic religions are, but there were religions before them and other religions even today.
andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s extremely disturbing how common it is to weaponize allegations of “antisemitism” against criticisms of Zionism. I would say it’s antisemitic to assume that all Jewish people support the actions of the state of Israel, but strangely, the ADL doesn’t seem to agrees.